The ongoing Elon Twitter saga: "insert demographic" melts down

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Roar87 said:
You always write sensible posts except you completely discount the fact that Elon has a large legal team and knows everything you point out. You consistently talk as if he's someone making his first strides in business where as it is literally a joke to him that he owns so many businesses he calls himself a business magnet. I'd probably give him the benefit of the doubt in the same way you do the previous Twitter administration.
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Musk has a large legal team
However did he ask them, did he listen to them?

The likes of the child abuse reporting tools on Twitter et al won't have been put in place by one person at the company but done in consultation with a host of lawyers (quite likely from different countries) and local law enforcement because of how tricky the handling of even just the reports can be legally speaking.

Someone sending Musk links to it they've found on twitter is potentially putting both Musk personally and themselves at risk legally speaking, as depending on country and context you run the risk of falling afoul of possession, distribution or production charges, at the very least it shows a degree of naivety that is hard to believe.
The tools Twitter etc use will be designed specifically to make sure that the reports are only seen by the correct people (with an audit trail all the way through to ensure only the right people are accessing it, and under legally agreed terms).
 
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Werewolf said:
Someone sending Musk links to it they've found on twitter is potentially putting both Musk personally and themselves at risk legally speaking, as depending on country and context you run the risk of falling afoul of possession, distribution or production charges, at the very least it shows a degree of naivety that is hard to believe.
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For being sent a hashtag to remove from Twitter? Don't Facebook have content moderation teams that have to remove illegal content, why don't they get sued? How can anyone moderate content online if they can't remove harmful content without being prosecuted?

Has anyone working at a social media company been prosecuted while moderating harmful content? Because I very much doubt it.
 
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Roar87 said:
For being sent a hashtag to remove from Twitter? Don't Facebook have content moderation teams that have to remove illegal content, why don't they get sued? How can anyone moderate content online if they can't remove harmful content without being prosecuted?

Has anyone working at a social media company been prosecuted while moderating harmful content? Because I very much doubt it.
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A hashtag would possibly ok...

A link to an actual tweet with illegal material is potentially on shaky grounds.

Given how stupid some people are, would YOU be willing to bet your freedom on people only sending you the hashtag, and doing it in a way that is private so it's not showing how to access it to a larger group?

There are reasons they do the reporting tools every page, and the reports are handled how they are.

Yes FB have moderation teams, the conditions they work under have been described as horrific and the burnout rate is high despite them being vetted before they're hired and IIRC theoretically offered counselling to help cope with what they're exposed to and IIRC they do the work at specific computers in specific offices (in a similar manner to how I believe UK police do).

The thing is these systems aren't just "send me your links via dm/retweet/tag me in" these are tools and systems put into place with the guidance of specialists in handling them, including both the lawyers and law enforcement. The proper tools are made to remove the chances of you accidentally breaking the law in some way in one jurisdiction or another - and having an agreement about how you handle it with the law enforcement where your company is based is one of the only defences, working outside of those agreed/legally confirmed channels becomes very risky.

And yes I have heard of even police being charged for not handling such materials in accordance with the rules and regulations they were meant to as your only defence for having them is basically that it was under controlled circumstances in accordance with law enforcement policies.

Basically you're an idiot if you take any chances given the potential outcomes.
 
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www.ft.com

EU and US turn up the heat on Elon Musk over Twitter

EU commissioner warns billionaire he must adhere to the rules as Janet Yellen indicates Washington could review purchase
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Elon Musk is under renewed pressure from the US and EU over his ownership of Twitter, as regulators clamp down on the billionaire’s push to transform the social network into a freewheeling haven of free speech.

The European Commission on Thursday threatened Musk with a ban unless Twitter abides by strict content moderation rules, as US Treasury secretary Janet Yellen indicated that Washington was reviewing his purchase of the social network.
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as i said previously, regardless of what Musk wants, to operate Twitter requires abiding by both platforms (i.e Apple and Google's app stores) and international jurisdiction's regulations on content moderation.
 
It's impossible to run a platform with such an outsize influence on political discourse and not run into government oversight/regulation. No amount of moaning about freedom of speech is going to change it as it's a business looking to profit from it and so will suffer the consequences of irritated governments.
 
D.P. said:
as i said previously, regardless of what Musk wants, to operate Twitter requires abiding by both platforms (i.e Apple and Google's app stores) and international jurisdiction's regulations on content moderation.
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Why are people acting like he wants to turn it into 4Chan, he's barely changed anything moderation wise, he's just allowed some accounts to come back and I don't think the EU or the US Government needs to worry too much about whether or not a social media company allowed Jordan Peterson back after the grave crime of misgendering a famous trans actor.
 
It's irritating to be fair that these platforms are best left in the hands of businesses as there's no way it should be state-controlled, but the more the state intrudes for entirely valid reasons (some not so much) the less profit can be made and it becomes impossible to run without government aid.

I feel like maybe a middle-ground like how Wikipedia or Github is run might be the only compromise available but even that has problems.
 
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[FnG]magnolia said:
Uh, what's this now? What has Ye Olde Mentalist been up to, that scamp.
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Just another clownshow from the loks of it.

www.politico.com

Parler was jubilant about Kanye West buying it. Then the problems started.

An email to so-called VIPs for the site raised a couple questions; among them: Do the VIPs know that they’re VIPs?
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On the afternoon that Parler, a social media platform popular with conservatives, announced its acquisition by Ye, better known as Kanye West, the site emailed hundreds of VIP members to excitedly share the news.
There were just two problems.

Parler neglected to blind-CC email addresses and inadvertently revealed the contact information of at least 10 lawmakers and many more conservative stars. The other problem: some of those “VIPs” had no clue why they were being labeled as such, confessing that they had little to no association with the controversial app, let alone special status there.

“Chairwoman [Kelli] Ward isn’t active on Parler and hasn’t opened the app in well over 2 years,” said Kristy Dohnel, a spokesperson for the Arizona Republican Party. “We have zero idea what you are talking about.”

The episode and subsequent confusion — a company spokesperson declined to address questions about who compiled the list and the criteria behind it — has created a headache for Parler during what should have been a celebratory time. Since its 2018 inception, the site has tried to position itself as a champion of free speech, recruiting Donald Trump acolytes and conservative luminaries with a promise to be the quintessential social media counterweight to the likes of Facebook and Twitter.

But the inadvertent email raises questions about how big Parler’s influence actually is as Ye prepares to buy it, given that the VIP list included generic media addresses and some that were old or defunct.

It also offers a window into the oft-times chaotic nature of the conservative media ecosystem, where a variety of different platforms are competing for audience share and industry dominance by catering to a narrow group of influential conservative figures and relaxing editorial guardrails.
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Roar87 said:
That telling him about some legal issue he might encounter is silly because he is literally getting top tier legal advice
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Because rich and powerful people have never gone against the advice of their ridiculously priced lawyers before. I’m not saying he is but being super rich and powerful can lead to an arrogance and hubris that gets them into trouble. He clearly didn’t listen to his lawyers and do due diligence before making his offer to buy Twitter did he.
If the FTC and EU come knocking it could get very very expensive.
 
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BowdonUK said:
Dorsey spoke publically of how the circles he was in was very left leaning, and he was trying to counter balance it. But failed.

That's why Dorsey supported Musk buying Twitter.
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So that would be a no then. Hanging out with liberals is very different to telling people how they should vote on the social media platform you own.
 
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Colonel_Klinck said:
So that would be a no then. Hanging out with liberals is very different to telling people how they should vote on the social media platform you own.
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It depends.

The point I was making is that since the 90s, before the Internet went public and the 'normies' started using it, its moved from being right leaning to woke. So people like Dorsey found himself surrounded by people who didn't agree with him. Go watch the interviews he did with Rogan. He talks about this very issue. That's why he wanted out. He'd lost control of the direction of Twitter.

It's not like this situation is uncommon. It happens a lot. It's probably why all these big companies start virtue signalling.

They entice people who aren't their natural supporters to appeal to a wider audience. Then before they know it the whole company direction as changed.
 
www.bbc.co.uk

Musk says Twitter feud with Apple boss 'resolved' - BBC News

The Twitter boss says he met Apple's chief Tim Cook after he criticised the company.
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So Elon may have to very quickly reinstate the covid disinformation rules.

Also, I wonder how well Elon's idea that false information will be negatively reviewed by users and then pushed down and not shown to as many people, rather than deleted as before, will be sufficient to satisfy the EU new rules.

I expect to hear of many uturns from Elon, and a influx of hiring/rehiring staff right back to the departments Elon has just fired groups from.

Seems he will soon find out why those staff were there in the first place.

Anyone else get the feeling that Elon hasn't considered other countries rules when making decisions, and seems to have just taken the view that he'd be fine in America and that was it?
 
BowdonUK said:
They entice people who aren't their natural supporters to appeal to a wider audience. Then before they know it the whole company direction as changed
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Reminds me of trump.

Had to lean more and more into the far right, and before he knows it, his whole message has changed and he's not at the mercy of far right,so much so he can't kick someone off his property out of fear that he'll upset his base.
 
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