The ongoing Elon Twitter saga: "insert demographic" melts down

Craterloads · 2 Dec 2022 at 12:48

Hateful slurs have increased on Twitter since Elon Musk’s takeover | ITV News

Research shared exclusively with ITV News found slurs targeting black, gay and trans people were far more prevalent than before he took over the site. | ITV National News

www.itv.com

Research by the Centre for Countering Digital Hate (CCDH) contradicts Mr Musk’s claim that a short spike in hate speech after he took charge of the platform has been quickly reversed.

Instead, a search tool normally used by advertisers to find mentions of brand names, revealed that specific hate slurs targeting black, gay and trans people were far more prevalent than before he took over the site.

In the week before Mr Musk’s claim, on 24 November, the use of one of the most offensive racial slurs went up by 197%.

A homophobic term jumped by 31% and tweets with a specific antisemitic slur in them went up by 24%

“We wanted to trust but verify so we looked at the data on really extreme hate words. We found that contrary to what Mr Musk was saying, hate speech had gone up again”.

JRS · 2 Dec 2022 at 12:59

@Craterloads - Elon making another false claim? I'm shocked, shocked to find that sort of thing going on

Colonel_Klinck · 2 Dec 2022 at 13:05

dowie said:
Why does it have to be illegal?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1588666105023041536

Well he said speech is free as long as it falls within the law. So it isn't free is now what he is saying? Its difficult to keep up as it appears his definition changes from day to day.

And as shown in the post above it seems Elon has been lying again about the decline in hateful speech. Surprise surprise :rolleyes:

Tony Edwards · 2 Dec 2022 at 13:08

Colonel_Klinck said:
Well he said speech is free as long as it falls within the law. So it isn't free is now what he is saying? Its difficult to keep up as it appears his definition changes from day to day.

And as shown in the post above it seems Elon has been lying again about the decline in hateful speech. Surprise surprise

Free speech seems to mean hate speech for this lot.

Roar87 · 2 Dec 2022 at 13:11

Craterloads said:
Hateful slurs have increased on Twitter since Elon Musk’s takeover | ITV News

Research shared exclusively with ITV News found slurs targeting black, gay and trans people were far more prevalent than before he took over the site. | ITV National News

www.itv.com

Musk already stated it was a small number of bot accounts doing the Tweeting, what relevance is this? People can deliberately target Twitter as a result of Musk buying it and have bots spam it with hateful phrases so they can write a story about it. They probably get more money for the story they create than it costs to buy the bots.

Newspapers will hack the phones of dead kids parents but I'm sure no one would pay a company to spam Twitter with hateful words so they can get clicks on their news story

cu3ed · 2 Dec 2022 at 13:14

Starting to read more Apple made Musk come to them to slap the stupid out of him and keep their 30% take.

dowie · 2 Dec 2022 at 14:13

Colonel_Klinck said:
Well he said speech is free as long as it falls within the law. So it isn't free is now what he is saying?

No, free speech in US law is still what he said it is. I suspect his personal views on censorship (being against censorship of speech that goes far beyond the law) are unchanged too. Neither of those things are Twitter-specific policies though, I mean I guess what he's trying to do at twitter is to bring it more in line with his views on censorship but there are other considerations there.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1588666105023041536

deuse · 2 Dec 2022 at 14:31

Colonel_Klinck said:
Says the man who spent 4 years ranting in the Trump/Hilary/Trump thread

True.

But there again. It DID affect me

This does not.

Have you got your UK angry jumper on

VincentHanna · 2 Dec 2022 at 14:32

I'm pretty sure who the President of the USA is affects everyone in the Western World.

Roar87 · 2 Dec 2022 at 14:33

deuse said:
True.

But there again. It DID affect me
This does not.

Have you got your UK angry jumper on

I don't think they're actually angry, they pretend to be angry to show how virtuous they are, it's so strange

VincentHanna said:
I'm pretty sure who the President of the USA is affects everyone in the Western World.

Oh yeah, I remember the glory days of Obama and how well we all had it in the UK compared to when Trump got in power... ?

deuse · 2 Dec 2022 at 14:36

VincentHanna said:
I'm pretty sure who the President of the USA is affects everyone in the Western World.

I doubt that.

How has biden affected the UK?

Tony Edwards · 2 Dec 2022 at 14:38

Roar87 said:
I don't think they're actually angry, they pretend to be angry to show how virtuous they are, it's so strange?

Unlike you that seems to be constantly angry.

Zuma · 2 Dec 2022 at 14:38

deuse said:
I doubt that.

How has biden affected the UK?

Trade deals, climate change, armed conflict in Ukraine,

StriderX · 2 Dec 2022 at 14:39

deuse said:
I doubt that.

How has biden affected the UK?

Well to be fair he doesn't really need to do anything actively as British foreign policy was captured by America decades ago and appear to be working their way through domestic policy as well through their CIA-backed groups.

VincentHanna · 2 Dec 2022 at 14:42

Roar87 said:
Oh yeah, I remember the glory days of Obama and how well we all had it in the UK compared to when Trump got in power... ?

When he became President just as a World financial crisis hit? And then got America's economy moving rather swiftly whilst we had years and years of austerity? Yep I remember that as well.

The UK has had stagnant wage growth for nearly 15 years:

Labour market inequalities show a need to boost wage growth of middle earners and low earners in non-traditional employment | Institute for Fiscal Studies

"Over the last 40 years, the UK has seen a period of rising earnings inequality much greater than in most developed countries."

ifs.org.uk

Chronic lack of real wage growth has blighted the UK since the financial crisis of the late 2000s. Many of the lowest-earning employees have bucked that trend due to the minimum wage. Between 2011 and 2019, the earnings of low-earning employees grew twice as fast as median earnings.

But even among the lowest earners, a growing fraction are missing out. A quarter of the lowest fifth of earners are now self-employed. They are not covered by the minimum wage.

Over the last 40 years, the UK has seen a period of rising earnings inequality much greater than in most developed countries up to the global financial crisis, immediately followed by a long period of stagnation in productivity and real wages, hitting the living standards of most workers hard.

Roar87 · 2 Dec 2022 at 14:43

StriderX said:
Well to be fair he doesn't really need to do anything actively as British foreign policy was captured by America decades ago and appear to be working their way through domestic policy as well through their CIA-backed groups.

i'm pretty sure we would've supported Ukraine independently of the US, but supporting the US is in our best interest since largely our views and interests align as English speaking free market Democracies and with America having the largest military on Earth by far.

VincentHanna said:
When he became President just as a World financial crisis hit? And then got America's economy moving rather swiftly whilst we had years and years of austerity? Yep I remember that as well.

The UK has had stagnant wage growth for nearly 15 years:

So Obama didn't affect the UK then? Great. I think you need to argue what Obama did differently compared to other Presidents as well, would there have been a significant change in policy between Obama and another President? I imagine they'd all follow a similar playbook in 2008.

Colonel_Klinck · 2 Dec 2022 at 14:57

deuse said:
True.

But there again. It DID affect me
This does not.

Have you got your UK angry jumper on

John Durham bringing Obama, Hilary and your long list of others to justice effected you how exactly? Other than feeding your crazy CT that is.

Twitter being a platform I use every day means I do care what happens to it. Its my main source for news.

deuse · 2 Dec 2022 at 15:14

Zuma said:
Trade deals, climate change, armed conflict in Ukraine,

So. Saving a country.
Trade deals was never on the cards unless the UK gov gave them the NHS.

So nothing changed.

deuse · 2 Dec 2022 at 15:16

VincentHanna said:
When he became President just as a World financial crisis hit? And then got America's economy moving rather swiftly whilst we had years and years of austerity? Yep I remember that as well.

The UK has had stagnant wage growth for nearly 15 years:

Labour market inequalities show a need to boost wage growth of middle earners and low earners in non-traditional employment | Institute for Fiscal Studies

"Over the last 40 years, the UK has seen a period of rising earnings inequality much greater than in most developed countries."

ifs.org.uk

What drugs have you been taking?

"Overall. Economic growth, measured as the change in real GDP, averaged 2.0% from Q2 2009 to Q4 2016. This was slower than the 2.6% average from Q1 1989 to Q4 2008. Real GDP grew nearly 3% during President Bush's first term but only 0.5% during his second"

deuse · 2 Dec 2022 at 15:23

Colonel_Klinck said:
John Durham bringing Obama, Hilary and your long list of others to justice effected you how exactly? Other than feeding your crazy CT that is.

Twitter being a platform I use every day means I do care what happens to it. Its my main source for news.

CT?
My family(along with others) was affected by the democrats stupid laws.

If it wasn't for our governor FL would have been just like CA $519 Billion\NY 368 $ billion in dept.

Even the far left libs came to FL with out a mask to have fun

And we have more police now.