The ongoing Elon Twitter saga: "insert demographic" melts down

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C Kent said:
I think Roar balances out the 'hur hur Musk is a moron' posts from users in the thread quite nicely myself
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"Please don't be mean to Elon, he's rich" is a bit wet though; at least Dowie throws a bit of substance in to their replies, even if they are the total of 4 pages worth of replies and a handful of RSS Twitter feeds.
 
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visibleman said:
"Please don't be mean to Elon, he's rich" is a bit wet though; at least Dowie has a bit of substance to their replies, even if they are the total of 4 pages worth of replies and a handful of RSS Twitter feeds.
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"Please dont be nice to Elon, he's told folks to vote Republican in the midterms even though he's voted democrat every election. He's a dirty CT pushing republican ". Roar is just the opposite side of that coin, maybe if users didn't post nonsense every time that was a report that Twitter is doing something good he wouldn't have to try to balance that out.
 
visibleman said:
"Please don't be mean to Elon, he's rich" is a bit wet though; at least Dowie throws a bit of substance in to their replies, even if they are the total of 4 pages worth of replies and a handful of RSS Twitter feeds.
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It isn't really just the rich part though, it's his actual successes, with Tesla, with SpaceX, with Starlink. It's kind of like seeing football fans **** on Ronaldo or MMA fans **** on Conor McGregor, they 100% have a lot of flaws, but to focus on their flaws and ignore their massive success says more to me about the person doing that than the highly successful individuals they're criticising. I can only imagine how fantastic someone's life must be for them to **** on Elon Musk as a part-time hobby.
 
Roar87 said:
It isn't really just the rich part though, it's his actual successes, with Tesla, with SpaceX, with Starlink. It's kind of like seeing football fans **** on Ronaldo or MMA fans **** on Conor McGregor, they 100% have a lot of flaws, but to focus on their flaws and ignore their massive success says more to me about the person doing that than the highly successful individuals they're criticising. I can only imagine how fantastic someone's life must be for them to **** on Elon Musk as a part-time hobby.
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You could have used better examples! Both of those are ****** people :D :cry:
 
Roar87 said:
It isn't really just the rich part though, it's his actual successes, with Tesla, with SpaceX, with Starlink. It's kind of like seeing football fans **** on Ronaldo or MMA fans **** on Conor McGregor, they 100% have a lot of flaws, but to focus on their flaws and ignore their massive success says more to me about the person doing that than the highly successful individuals they're criticising. I can only imagine how fantastic someone's life must be for them to **** on Elon Musk as a part-time hobby.
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So I'll agree he has two successful businesses, Tesla and SpaceX, albeit both have only been viable due to the vast amount of government subsidies they've been given. But this:
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He's still literally the most successful entrepreneur to ever live
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That is total nonsense.

Starlink is doing ok, but they're not really using any new technology and are currently the only game in town if you want fast satellite internet. They're also piggybacking on the success of SpaceX (thanks to those aforementioned government subsidies). Lets see how they get on in a few years time once Jeff Bezos can launch rockets just as cost effectively.

Boring Company is just lol. By all accounts the tunnels are basically death traps and there's reports from several cities essentially being ghosted once they express interest in actually having a tunnel built. Again, nothing new here tech-wise.

Neuralink has a whole host of issues, including record keeping relating to animal experiment deaths and their tech being based on 'borrowed' research. They've also not shown anything yet that hasn't been done before and the consensus from people who know about the subject is that they're still trying to recruit and not to expect any breakthroughs in the near future.

I don't think Musk is an idiot. He seems very competent at reading trends in tech and at hyping up products. He's somewhere between a genius and a con-artist. He certainly doesn't help himself by making hugely exaggerated claims (admittedly, mostly around timelines) about his various ventures and he has especially terrible ideas about how to solve some of humanities problems, like for instance thinking that the solution to urban transportation is Teslas in tunnels instead of actual public transport solutions that are proven to work. I like that he's trying to get the human race to be a multi-planetary species and think that without Tesla, traditional car makers would still be stalling on EVs. That said, I find him to be an absolute dumpster fire of a human being and think that him deciding to buy Twitter then desperately trying to get out of the deal is hilarious. I also think it's weird how some people (not just yourself, everywhere on the internet) worship the ground he walks on and feel the need to defend him in every internet comment section going as if he can literally do no wrong.

That balanced enough for you?
 
FishFluff said:
Starlink is doing ok, but they're not really using any new technology and are currently the only game in town if you want fast satellite internet. They're also piggybacking on the success of SpaceX (thanks to those aforementioned government subsidies). Lets see how they get on in a few years time once Jeff Bezos can launch rockets just as cost effectively.
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I don't think Bezos/Blue Origin has even launched an orbital rocket. Raptor has flown (sub orbital) and are being produced at a rate of several a week. Blue Origin haven't had a single engine fire on a test rocket yet, let alone a test launch. The Amazon constellation is much more theoretical than the SpaceX one that is producing several satellites a day and launching dozens a month.
 
Roar87 said:
Well, it's anyone getting criticised who has a lot of success though. Agree with McGregor, he is a *******, but he did achieve a lot of sporting success in MMA.
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I realised from this and the other thread that seems divisive at the moment that you are wasting your time, they'll never love Musk like we do ;)

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Being serious, I wonder where Musk is with Twitter on this, I can see many things that put him on the 'A little knowledge is dangerous' section, but I'd say he's just breaking out of the valley of despair.. :)

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FishFluff said:
I also think it's weird how some people (not just yourself, everywhere on the internet) worship the ground he walks on and feel the need to defend him in every internet comment section going as if he can literally do no wrong.
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Psychologists say that many of us fantasize about being billionaires, meaning that when they root for Musk, they're really rooting for what they perceive as a version of themselves — namely, as masters of the universe, "winners" in every sense that mainstream society deems worthy. In the process, they also reveal their own deep feelings of inadequacy.
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So when you attack Musk your attacking a version of themselves which is why they defend him so vigorously even for the slightest criticism

Basically some people are not as successful as they would like to be so become minions for people that they deem as a winner
 
Colonel_Klinck said:
Who has called him a moron? He is obviously an incredibly clever guy. That doesn't mean he's above criticism though.
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There's also a thing where you can be incredibly good in one or two related fields, but be absolutely useless in many others (sometimes worse than the average person).

People seem to think that Musk is some sort of super genius who is great in everything even things where he has no experience or education, and refuses to listen to advice.

Case in point, Twitter, he seems convinced it's all about programming and being "hardcore" at programming, completely missing the point that Twitter has to operate in multiple legal jurisdiction obeying multiple sets of laws about everything from the content it displays to the protections for the users, and the rights of the work force.
In that he's shown he's either more ignorant than many "average" people about those issues*, or that he's so arrogant he doesn't have to care about them and that there will be no consequences for breaking those laws.

As I've seen a lot of people put it, Twitter isn't about code so much as it's about human interaction and community (in both the legal and personal sense), and musk doesn't seem to grasp that at all. His obsession with "great code" and "working hardcore" utterly ignores what Twitter does/is and how it makes money. It's like buying a film production company and obsessing over say the Cameras and lighting used, whilst ignoring the fact you're dealing with humans and things like copyright and needing scripts/actors.



*I'm not a lawyer, i'm not a business owner, and I've never worked outside of the UK, but somehow I seem to be far more aware of the fact that employment law varies by region (even within the US) than Musk who has the ability to call on hosts of experts if he needs to call on them and realises/is willing to admit he needs that information.
 
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Roar87 said:
It isn't really just the rich part though, it's his actual successes, with Tesla, with SpaceX, with Starlink. It's kind of like seeing football fans **** on Ronaldo or MMA fans **** on Conor McGregor, they 100% have a lot of flaws, but to focus on their flaws and ignore their massive success says more to me about the person doing that than the highly successful individuals they're criticising. I can only imagine how fantastic someone's life must be for them to **** on Elon Musk as a part-time hobby.
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What utter nonsense. If this was the case we'd be attacking every successful person in any thread that mentions them. That really is laughable. You are beginning to sound like the Elonbros on Twitter that jump on any tweet that criticises their messiah. Its becoming cult like.

He claims to care about the Earth and global warming but then goes out of his way to get a high speed rail link stopped in California with the empty promise of Hyperloop which he knows is impossible to build let alone actually run and which he had no intention of ever building. Just because he wants everyone in one of his cars and he feared it would hurt sales. He is like the monorail salesman from The Simpsons.

Then we have him inserting himself in US politics since taking over Twitter. Claiming Twitter interfered in the 2020 election and his proof was the nothing burger Twitter Files on the Hunter Biden laptop. He claims he wants Twitter to be the ultimate source of truth (what ever that means) yet comes out with that crap. He lies for a living for his own gain and then expects people to take him seriously as the owner and effectively the dictator of a major social media company as he doesn't have a board or shareholders to answer to. Rather than being responsible and taking the position and power he now has seriously he's just continuing to be a troll and stirring up trouble for fun at the chaos it causes or who knows what other reasons he may have but I can guarantee its not for the greater good that he likes to claim but for his own benefit.
 
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