The ongoing Elon Twitter saga: "insert demographic" melts down

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Are you saying there hasnt recently been a wave of people getting banned or tweets that are dismissive of elon disappearing?

Is that what you are saying?
Accounts that are banned look like this

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I've seen a few like that, what I haven't seen is a bunch of loons claiming somone is banned when they've clearly deactivated their account.. until now.
 
He has a pHD in Nursing, a Masters in Science in health science and a Bachelors in Biology. How qualified does someone need to be to explain a research paper written for other people?

This isn't top trumps where the most qualified person wins, he is educated enough to explain the material he's going over in his videos and give his opinion.
David Gorski who has actual relevant experience and education thinks he's a crack pot.
 
Watch these:
That collates the information in a very digestible format..

With the Twitter files, I agree, I would like to see them public for the same reasons you probably do.
I can understand why he has chosen to not include all the MSM (left and right) initially, we all know CNN will go one way, Fox the other and it would be very noisy.. but ultimately it needs to be in the public domain to really allow full scrutiny.

I used to watch his channel, to begin with he was quite good but for me he's strayed into CT. He isn't a doctor, he was a nurse and has a PHD in nursing. The problem from what I've seen of actual experts in the field speaking about his videos is, on many occasions he doesn't understand what he is talking about but talks like he does and that is a very dangerous thing. His misinformation on ivermectin is just one example of him either just being out of his depth or having a more sinister reason. He has also done several videos on aspirating when giving vaccine injections, this can scare people getting vaccines if the person doesn't aspirate, when aspiration isn't necessary. His channel has grown massively over the last year as he's moved more and more towards covid sceptic audience. Just read the comments, its dominated by anti vax and covid CT believers.

Using a Senate report as proof is weak. They aren't doctors or scientists and its a political body. We need peer reviewed papers on this before we will know.

Video from a professor in a biology professor with a PhD in Molecular Biophysics and Biochemistry (Yale), postdoctoral training in biological chemistry and molecular pharmacology (Harvard Medical School), and 30 years of research experience (taken from YT bio)


Video on his misinformation on aspiration


He has a pHD in Nursing, a Masters in Science in health science and a Bachelors in Biology. How qualified does someone need to be to explain a research paper written for other people?

This isn't top trumps where the most qualified person wins, he is educated enough to explain the material he's going over in his videos and give his opinion.

As shown above that is a dangerous path to take. He talks like an expert but he isn't. Its been shown he makes big mistakes but people believe what he says. I also don't like the fact he has Dr as his title when talking about medical issues, for a while I thought he was an actual doctor when he isn't. He should have a disclaimer pointing out he is not a medical doctor.
 
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He has a pHD in Nursing, a Masters in Science in health science and a Bachelors in Biology. How qualified does someone need to be to explain a research paper written for other people?

This isn't top trumps where the most qualified person wins, he is educated enough to explain the material he's going over in his videos and give his opinion.

Those qualifications aren't exactly brilliant in terms of trusting him on viruses/immunology. Sure he is decently more educated on things than the layman but he has never specialised in any of it. His eduation and career seems to be mainly focused on Nurse training.

I would trust someone more who actually has a PHD in a specific field relating to viruses/vaccines etc. A PHD in nursing isn't it. I mean his doctorate according to Wikipedia - "the doctorate was awarded in 2013 for work on developing teaching methods using digital media such as online videos"
 
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I used to watch his channel, to begin with he was quite good but for me he's strayed into CT. He isn't a doctor, he was a nurse and has a PHD in nursing. The problem from what I've seen of actual experts in the field speaking about his videos is, on many occasions he doesn't understand what he is talking about but talks like he does and that is a very dangerous thing. His misinformation on ivermectin is just one example of him either just being out of his depth or having a more sinister reason. He has also done several videos on aspirating when giving vaccine injections, this can scare people getting vaccines if the person doesn't aspirate, when aspiration isn't necessary. His channel has grown massively over the last year as he's moved more and more towards covid sceptic audience. Just read the comments, its dominated by anti vax and covid CT believers.

Using a Senate report as proof is weak. They aren't doctors or scientists and its a political body. We need peer reviewed papers on this before we will know.

Video from a professor in a biology professor with a PhD in Molecular Biophysic

As shown above that is a dangerous path to take. He talks like an expert but he isn't. Its been shown he makes big mistakes but people believe what he says. I also don't like the fact he has Dr as his title when talking about medical issues, for a while I thought he was an actual doctor when he isn't. He should have a disclaimer pointing out he is not a medical doctor.
Why are you quoting experts? What do they know? YouTubers and Elon know way more than they do.
 
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He has a pHD in Nursing, a Masters in Science in health science and a Bachelors in Biology.

None of which make him qualified to be considered an expert in this area I'm afraid.

In fact, it's actually pretty disappointing that someone who does have an academic record in any area of science at all, hasn't gone to great lengths to preface his videos with disclaimers pointing out his lack of relevant expertise.

As someone who should be a strong advocate for the scientific method and appreciative of it's robustness, it's what he really should be doing, because any good scientist will be well aware of the limitations of their own expertise and the narrowness of their specific field of research.

But then I suppose if you've managed to gain some highly profitable online notoriety by giving the appearance of being an authority on something when you're not, then it's not particularly surprising that you would prefer to not highlight the fact to your 2+ million followers.

How qualified does someone need to be to explain a research paper written for other people.

This isn't top trumps where the most qualified person wins, he is educated enough to explain the material he's going over in his videos and give his opinion.

You're right to say that his academic record means that he will be at least familiar with some aspects of the content and language used in the kind of papers he is looking at, but that's incredibly far removed from properly understanding them. If anything, his non-specialist knowledge in loosely related areas is probably a contributing factor to his apparently frequent misinterpretations and misunderstandings.
 
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David Gorski who has actual relevant experience and education thinks he's a crack pot.

So what? Isn't he selling something?

You're right to say that his academic record means that he will be at least familiar with some aspects of the content and language used in the kind of papers he is looking at, but that's incredibly far removed from properly understanding them. If anything, his non-specialist knowledge in loosely related areas is probably a contributing factor to his apparently frequent misinterpretations and misunderstandings.

Is a Masters degree in Health Science not enough to properly understand a research paper? Like, he isn't teaching a course in chemical microbiology, he's translating a paper written for academics, of which he is one.
 
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Dr. John Campbell is pretty infamous for posting Covid disinformation videos, promulgating conspiracy theories and was central in pushing many false claims about Ivermectin.

He's also not a medical doctor and does not have expertise in the subject area.

Worth noting that being a "medical doctor" isn't necessarily any more relevant in terms of expertise than a nurse with a masters and PhD.

Most medical doctors are not immunologists or virologists or epidemiologists or public health academics, that of course didn't stop, for example, a TV doctor/GP posing as an expert early on on a morning UK TV show and shutting down ex-model Caprice who correctly pointed out what Asian countries were doing to mitigate the pandemic (locking down, wearing masks etc..).

I'd expect both a PhD and a medical doctor to be more than capable of summarising a research paper though! But if this guy has form for conspiracy stuff then that's of course worth noting.
 
Is a Masters degree in Health Science not enough to properly understand a research paper?

If the paper is purely related to Health Science and no more specialised, then absolutely yes. Otherwise, probably not.

Like, he isn't teaching a course in chemical microbiology, he's translating a paper written for academics, of which he is one.

I understand. And I think you're right that he absolutely will understand things far better than you're average layperson.

But his lack of truly relevant expertise and experience is going to make whatever conclusions he comes to extremely error prone.
 
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Worth noting that being a "medical doctor" isn't necessarily any more relevant in terms of expertise than a nurse with a masters and PhD.

Yes you're right.

Pointing out that he's not a medical doctor without any further detail was probably a bit lazy.

Most medical doctors are not immunologists or virologists or epidemiologists or public health academics, that of course didn't stop, for example, a TV doctor/GP posing as an expert early on on a morning UK TV show and shutting down ex-model Caprice who correctly pointed out what Asian countries were doing to mitigate the pandemic (locking down, wearing masks etc..).

I'd expect both a PhD and a medical doctor to be more than capable of summarising a research paper though! But if this guy has form for conspiracy stuff then that's of course worth noting.

I agree with all of that.
 
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Musk bood lol.

It's almost like he's some rich billionaire that is surrounded by yes men simps and doesn't realise the truth of what he's doing to his image by allowing a Nazi sympathiser back on twitter just because the user wasn't banned during Elon's ownership.
 
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