The ongoing Elon Twitter saga: "insert demographic" melts down

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It'll be interesting to see how this bot thing works out for him. It's not as fixed as he claims and they're already using Blue Ticks.

Yup, bots are still a massive problem, you only have mention anything relating to passwords, hacked/hacking, crypto or sex and you'll get a swarm within minutes - bloody pain for security related Tweets/info. As you say, it's more annoying now they're 'blue ticked'.

Considering Musk was all up in the guts of bots and spam pre-sale, i'm surprised more hasn't been done but i guess it'll take (Elon) time to sort...
 
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I’ve made no mention of the senate report or anything else.

I simply explained that I thought it was unwise to choose to reference videos by someone with his level of notoriety for posting covid related misinformation as evidence of anything at all; and I stand by that point.

If you’ve read anything else into my responses during this particular exchange then you’re mistaken.

It was the instant dismissal without even bothering to look at the topic covered in the video or the source. You then doubled down when that was pointed out and asked to watch the video with:

Not only do I not have access to the kind of information that would be required to come to any kind of conclusion on anything to do with this topic, I'm not in any way qualified to understand that information, even if I had access to it.
Again, you'd completely dismissed/ignored the topic of the video and fatally assumed it was something it was not... or are you telling us you lack the qualifications to read (or listen to someone reading) the senate report.


Also, your final sentence suggests to me that you might not be completely clear on what the Dunning Kruger effect actually is. Where exactly do you think I have overestimated my own ability due to my lack of knowledge?
Fair point, I edited that some time ago for that very reason :)


I think you just jumped the gun, assumed a little too much about the videos and came in hot.. My bad for not just linking to the reports, but to go off on the need for qualifications, medical expertise etc was just wide of the mark..
 
I think you just jumped the gun, assumed a little too much about the videos and came in hot.. My bad for not just linking to the reports, but to go off on the need for qualifications, medical expertise etc was just wide of the mark..

He was just arguing against his perception of the video he didn't watch, astounding ignorance.
 
He was just arguing against his perception of the video he didn't watch, astounding ignorance.

I know I shouldn’t expect too much from discussion in GD but this is a whole new level of silly.

Arguing against my perception of a video? What argument? Did you even read the exchange at all? :cry:

If there’s anything you’re struggling to understand about the words I’ve used, just ask.
 
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Is it when the Youtuber in question is known for distorting the facts to fit his narrative? Its a poor choice of a source to get across some information.

I watched a lot of his videos 6-12 months ago and he was always very clear and objective. He clearly went against some narrative which some people don't like by openly discussing things that are considered "wrong speech", I don't know how the **** we got to this point.
 
I watched a lot of his videos 6-12 months ago and he was always very clear and objective. He clearly went against some narrative which some people don't like by openly discussing things that are considered "wrong speech", I don't know how the **** we got to this point.

When actual doctors are calling out his videos as misinformation then maybe its misinformation. Of course if you know better than the actual doctors then please inform us. He has a very successful youtube business going and fair play to him but giving out medical misinformation is imo ****** up even for a retired nurse.
 
When actual doctors are calling out his videos as misinformation then maybe its misinformation. Of course if you know better than the actual doctors then please inform us. He has a very successful youtube business going and fair play to him but giving out medical misinformation is imo ****** up even for a retired nurse.

I think I'll listen to him, I can tell he doesn't talk ****. Dumb appeal to authority btw
 
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I wonder what % of people in that Dave Chappelle audience were Tesla owners or potential customers. Probably quite high and if they are booing Elon what does that say about Tesla's potential future sales.

He better let that sink in otherwise he's going to destroy two companies for the price of one
Seen Tesla's share price recently? :cry:
 
It was the instant dismissal without even bothering to look at the topic covered in the video or the source. You then doubled down when that was pointed out and asked to watch the video with:

Pointing out that choosing to use an infamously non-credible source with a track record of posting misinformation isn’t a good way to convince others that your position on something isn’t a conspiracy theory itself, has nothing to do with dismissal, it’s a perfectly valid criticism.

But, now that you’ve mentioned it; dismissal is absolutely the correct approach to take when dealing with someone who has a track record of making unsubstantiated claims from a position on non-expertise.

If you want to minimise the possibility of falling foul of misinformation, then avoiding sources of that sort is wise.

Again, you'd completely dismissed/ignored the topic of the video and fatally assumed it was something it was not... or are you telling us you lack the qualifications to read (or listen to someone reading) the senate report

I have no interest in the senate report and I’ve not commented on it. I’ve not engaged you in an argument around it and I’ve not made any claims regarding it. You’re erroneously inferring this yourself.

Fair point, I edited that some time ago for that very reason :)

I appreciate your honesty here.

I think you just jumped the gun, assumed a little too much about the videos and came in hot.. My bad for not just linking to the reports, but to go off on the need for qualifications, medical expertise etc was just wide of the mark..

You’re problem here is that you’ve read all of this extra stuff into what was a very simple criticism of your choice of source.

I think that my critique was clear and my reasoning was sound. Linking to videos of people accused of promulgating conspiracy theories, when you’re trying to argue against something being a conspiracy theory, isn’t a particularly wise move.
 
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I watched a lot of his videos 6-12 months ago and he was always very clear and objective. He clearly went against some narrative which some people don't like by openly discussing things that are considered "wrong speech", I don't know how the **** we got to this point.
Example big arms?
 
I think I'll listen to him, I can tell he doesn't talk ****. Dumb appeal to authority btw

A fallacious appeal to authority is what you’re doing by giving weight to someone not qualified in this field, because he happens to be qualified in another.

Advocating for deferring to people actually qualified on the subject matter is not fallacious.
 
A fallacious appeal to authority is what you’re doing by giving weight to someone not qualified in this field, because he happens to be qualified in another.

Advocating for deferring to people actually qualified on the subject matter is not fallacious.
And because historically he "always very clear and objective"

Something Musk simps struggle with. No wonder he got dumped :(
 
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I listed his qualifications, I listen to him because he delivers clear objective information in a way that's easy to understand, that's why his videos have millions of views.
"Other viewers watched: auditing videos, freeman of the land"

Edit: In all fairness I love auditing videos. They are lol
 
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I listed his qualifications, I listen to him because he delivers clear objective information in a way that's easy to understand, that's why his videos have millions of views.

That’s definitely part of the reason why his videos have millions of views.

But in the same way that less than reliable news sources will value social media engagement over journalistic integrity, successful YouTube influencers will also.

In this instance the subject matter is inherently complex and requires a non trivial amount of expertise, even just to grasp the basics.

As such, properly robust analysis is unlikely to be particularly engaging to the average viewer, whereas over simplification and being purposefully provocative or exciting in your claims is absolutely going to increase the viral potential of any video; even if those claims are unfounded.

Regardless, armed with the knowledge that far more qualified people than him regularly dismantle many of the claims in his videos, are you entirely confident that you’re not guilty of the charge that you yourself laid at @FishFluff?

To be fair FishFluff and posters like him just read the comments on Tweets and look for opinions that back up their already formed views, they then repeat that on here as if they're original takes. They're such tragic victims of confirmation bias.

Anyway, this isn’t a covid thread and we’ve probably let this go on enough. Back to Elon I guess.
 
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