The ongoing Elon Twitter saga: "insert demographic" melts down

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mattyfez said:
Thats pretty much correct, have you ever asked a dev to try and unpick mistakes and optimise someone elses work? You'll be met with a sigh and a blank stare. It's not easy reverse engineering things, as typically theres no proper documentation....trying to undersand and then re-optimising them. It's oft' easier to just build a new thing.

None of these things are small undertakings though, they are huge projects involving many many dev teams and project managers, and maybe even several programme managers reporting to a senior programme manager to oversee the whole shebang.

Makes me laugh when people say 'a dev' has changed, there's a whole (very complicated) eco-system of build, test, release, involved in large projects.
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Yeah, I know its a massive project, but a project I am involved in is interesting.

Original dev's no longer around, so the plan was to make something completely new, to replace the thing now that took years to do. I felt it was never going to happen but we let the dev's take it up as their plan and to eventually realise of their own accord it wasnt the best path.

About 3 years later its been decided by the dev's to just maintain the existing project, because rewriting its no easy feat. As you said though its reverse engineering and not easy understanding someone else's work, but still might be better than just starting from scratch.

Rewriting something as big as twitter seems like a decision that needs a much longer time to decide on. Whats happened to the existing developers?
 
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Tesla stock trading at 125! Jesus this was a monumental mistake from Elon. Ignore the 44 billion lost. Soon he will struggle to sell tesla stock to fund twitter debt.

There must be growing chunk of the board at tesla that want Elon gone
 
Sounds like the Twitter Spaces with Tesla investors had some moments tonight. Got into an argument with a long time investor when she criticised him for attacking trans, she has a trans daughter. Elon tells her he will not stop attacking people like her transgender daughter. Said he doesn't necessarily hate transgenders. Said he will not censor his own views on them. Ended up people shouting over each other and the moderator trying to get control and move the subject on.

Told them running Tesla is 10x harder than Twitter, maybe not what they want to hear as he's ******* off so many on Twitter atm so it can't be that easy. Promised not to sell any more stock next year but said he won't sell any for 2 years. Said he needed the cash on hand just in case, which is why he kept selling stock.

He blames Tesla's current collapse on the Fed. Said his Twitter antics are an insignificant concern to their target customers.

He claims there's "a warehouse somewhere with 10,000 phones" — and that there are workers "with 100 phones" who are "trolling" his polls :cry: :cry:
 
chrcoluk said:
Yeah, I know its a massive project, but a project I am involved in is interesting.

Original dev's no longer around, so the plan was to make something completely new, to replace the thing now that took years to do. I felt it was never going to happen but we let the dev's take it up as their plan and to eventually realise of their own accord it wasnt the best path.

About 3 years later its been decided by the dev's to just maintain the existing project, because rewriting its no easy feat. As you said though its reverse engineering and not easy understanding someone else's work, but still might be better than just starting from scratch.

Rewriting something as big as twitter seems like a decision that needs a much longer time to decide on. Whats happened to the existing developers?
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Probably with re-writes - most systems evolve and iterate over time, you start with the core functionality and then build on to it - it is very difficult to go in replace a whole system and all the learning along the way with a first build, documentation or not. (Which is why feature regression is common).

Then you have the problem that a lot of these systems were originally developed by people with a passion for what they were doing and ability to think outside the box vs more commonly career programmers/software developers who come in later who'll just go for the least effort way of getting a feature sort of running and move on.
 
Colonel_Klinck said:
Sounds like the Twitter Spaces with Tesla investors had some moments tonight. Got into an argument with a long time investor when she criticised him for attacking trans, she has a trans daughter. Elon tells her he will not stop attacking people like her transgender daughter. Said he doesn't necessarily hate transgenders. Said he will not censor his own views on them. Ended up people shouting over each other and the moderator trying to get control and move the subject on.

Told them running Tesla is 10x harder than Twitter, maybe not what they want to hear as he's ******* off so many on Twitter atm so it can't be that easy. Promised not to sell any more stock next year but said he won't sell any for 2 years. Said he needed the cash on hand just in case, which is why he kept selling stock.

He blames Tesla's current collapse on the Fed. Said his Twitter antics are an insignificant concern to their target customers.

He claims there's "a warehouse somewhere with 10,000 phones" — and that there are workers "with 100 phones" who are "trolling" his polls :cry: :cry:
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So, i just listened to this whole thing and it was fairly interesting.

I can understand a bit better now why the stock price was as high as it was. He frequently conflates his scientific vision with the economic vision for Telsa, and it's easy to get caught up in the hype. While it's admirable to have lofty scientific goals, in the business world the cold hard numbers will bite you eventually.

Tesla forecasts 50% growth in car sales in the US next year....my opinion is that's grossly unrealistic in our economic climate but we'll see.

He said Tesla will eventually become the most valuable company in the world. At one point he said in the next 5 years....so that's 5x market cap in five years, assuming no growth of competitors. Good luck with that.

He does pretty much completely blame the fed for what's happening and seems blind to some of the (justified) criticism thrown his way.

All that said, you get the impression Tesla is in fairly solid economic shape based on that meeting. No idea how true that is.

What I found most amusing, however, was just how slimy some of the investors were. One of them had badmouthed Elon a lot prior to the meeting, and then when put on the spot completely backpedaled and became a #1 fanboi. Hilarious.
 
deusexlumina said:
He said Tesla will eventually become the most valuable company in the world. At one point he said in the next 5 years....so that's 5x market cap in five years, assuming no growth of competitors. Good luck with that.
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While I don't really expect them to hit that growth it might just be possible. More so over 10 years. There has been a big increase in the sales of Electric based cars and a big drop in the sales of petrol and diesel. This will only accelerate over the years until it hits the point where petrol and diesel cars are no longer sold and patrol stations stop selling ICE fuel. Tesla are in a good place to grab a large part of this new market where petrol and diesel are dead. So I can see what Musk is saying though as per normal his timelines are way to short.
 
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He does pretty much completely blame the fed for what's happening and seems blind to some of the (justified) criticism thrown his way.
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I'm not sure he completely believes that, I suspect he's just trying to minimise his liability.

If true he wouldn't have needed to publically say that he won't be selling more stock, which was instantly followed by a small jump in the stock price. So seems to be playing all the angles.

Don't think its working though, I don't think he's in any danger of not being a billionaire any time soon, but I bet fairly early next year we won't be hearing all that much about him anymore
 
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Pottsey said:
While I don't really expect them to hit that growth it might just be possible. More so over 10 years. There has been a big increase in the sales of Electric based cars and a big drop in the sales of petrol and diesel. This will only accelerate over the years until it hits the point where petrol and diesel cars are no longer sold and patrol stations stop selling ICE fuel. Tesla are in a good place to grab a large part of this new market where petrol and diesel are dead. So I can see what Musk is saying though as per normal his timelines are way to short.
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For that to happen there is going to need to be a HUGE infrastructure upgrade in both the electrical grid and electrical generation. The US barely copes now and yet they will add god knows how many more billion kWh to the grid to replace petrol and diesel. The same in the UK, they are threatening blackouts but they want to replace petrol/diesel new vehicles by 2035. We should be building additional power stations now to cope but are we?

IMO there is no way they overtake the likes of Apple. They had the monopoly on EV for a while, that is now over, every car maker is putting out EV and some will be better at it than Tesla.
 
Colonel_Klinck said:
For that to happen there is going to need to be a HUGE infrastructure upgrade in both the electrical grid and electrical generation. The US barely copes now and yet they will add god knows how many more billion kWh to the grid to replace petrol and diesel. The same in the UK, they are threatening blackouts but they want to replace petrol/diesel new vehicles by 2035. We should be building additional power stations now to cope but are we?

IMO there is no way they overtake the likes of Apple. They had the monopoly on EV for a while, that is now over, every car maker is putting out EV and some will be better at it than Tesla.
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I think Tesla is going to likely be overtaken by most of the big car manufacturers in the EV space. Tesla benefited from the novelty factor for a while, but once every car is an EV that will be gone and they will have to compete properly.

Ford and General Motors etc will likely bring out something just as good but a lot cheaper.
 
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The big car companies didn't want to move to EV purely because it would have required investment, and these companies are terrible at trying to actually advance car technology. The technology for EVs is actually far simpler than ICE cars, and most components are basic COTS. Battery technology is important, but that is not done by the car makers.

The current EVs from chevy, Volvol etc. are already at Teslas standard, some are even lore efficient etc. There is no technological barrier of entry that Tesla has secured. Now that the whole world is switching to EVs, the big companies will leverage their manufacturing expertise and sales volume to produce cars better and cheaper than Teslas.


Now, i am a big fan of Tesla and i am very thankful they helped kicked start the market. But Musk's contribution was purely financial. Tesla needs to start focusing on more affordable cars and not lying about self driving capabilities that are behind the competitors.
 
I love the fact that Elon puts a stick in the bubble of the so called "Righteous".

Ego's can't stand opposing argumentations as the woke become much more sensitive to their own delusional world of trying to change everything for themselves dismissing the wealth of the landscape and the fact that life does not dictate to any one type of person, we are all different in the face of us being diversified by life, I wish people who prefer following the heard understood this as then they would realize their freedom and personal strength of conviction, dignity and the ability to detach to see that we are crazy to follow others always, humans at their core are still predatory and they want to get ahead, it is called basic survival, it is the ego that gives us this potent ability, we need it, but people get stuck in head games and have no way of finding solutions, just cordening themselves off from life and stifling the air from everyone else different to them.

Elon Musk is not a good talker. I can see that, most people who can't talk well do better taking action and action was taken.

To avoid the pitfalls of the ego you must love all fairly with the same intentions you give to yourself.


Odd bit of esoteric info, Nikola Tesla, Elon Musk and I were born in the calender month of July, all 3 are the zodiac sign Cancer.

I like to throw in odd things like that. Break the mould, show the world possibility, not the limitations of the the ones above.

Nearly forgot my parting gifts.

Killswitch Enage, lead by 2 Cancer singers, same direction, same mentality.

 
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Hotwired said:
So after promising to not sell Tesla stock and then selling Tesla stock he's come out with a new promise to not sell Tesla stock.

This time for 2 years.

Or 5 minutes. Who knows.
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Hmm trying to cling on to losses, Banks will be calling end of Jan again.
 
Colonel_Klinck said:
For that to happen there is going to need to be a HUGE infrastructure upgrade in both the electrical grid and electrical generation. The US barely copes now and yet they will add god knows how many more billion kWh to the grid to replace petrol and diesel. The same in the UK, they are threatening blackouts but they want to replace petrol/diesel new vehicles by 2035. We should be building additional power stations now to cope but are we?

IMO there is no way they overtake the likes of Apple. They had the monopoly on EV for a while, that is now over, every car maker is putting out EV and some will be better at it than Tesla.
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Its the x5 growth bit I can see happening, I am less convinced about overtaking Apple. As for power is that not what we are doing in the UK like the fusion plant being built. Potentially the world first fusion plant to solve or vastly help our energy problems. Back to Musk its more about the growth in market segmented they are in. If the amount of EV's are going to increase something like 100x fold or 1000xfold. Then even if they do not gain any extra market share they will grow by more then x5. (not using real numbers, just how it feels). Musk should have plenty of money from that to prop up twitter for years to come.
 
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Tired9 said:
Odd bit of esoteric info, Nikola Tesla, Elon Musk and I were born in the calender month of July, all 3 are the zodiac sign Cancer.

I like to throw in odd things like that. Break the mould, show the world possibility, not the limitations of the the ones above.

Nearly forgot my parting gifts.

Killswitch Enage, lead by 2 Cancer singers, same direction, same mentality.
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Ahh yes, the old ‘there are only 12 personality types in the world based on the chance alignment of unrelated stars which form images in the sky that look nothing like their names whilst being at completely different distances, along with the random angle our solar system is at compared to the plane of the galaxy’ argument.

Jesus Christ.
 
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