The ongoing Elon Twitter saga: "insert demographic" melts down

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Luckily for him it’s the rocket engineers that Musk hires that have designed and built them, not Elon himself. Given his current record for attempting to run Twitter, this should be obvious.

Yea, and you should probably listen to some of those rocket engineers and what they have to say about him ;)
 
Perhaps there could be a rule that when a site gets so big with active users it needs to use a Real ID system, or at least implement it as an option for people who want it.

I think having a general approach will 1. fail, because of the nature of the internet it wouldn't be enforcable, and 2. sadly, as we've seen in other areas of business if we give them half a chance they go full authoritarian on us.
I can think of a good majority of people (myself included) whom wouldn't upload their ID and personal information to these companies where you are the product; for them to do as they please with.
 
I can think of a good majority of people (myself included) whom wouldn't upload their ID and personal information to these companies where you are the product; for them to do as they please with.

That’s a good point unless they promise never to use that data and it’s only used for identification for a true account.

Bots, fake accounts inflate users on social platforms. This is a problem.
 
Luckily for him it’s the rocket engineers that Musk hires that have designed and built them, not Elon himself. Given his current record for attempting to run Twitter, this should be obvious.
Also it's all under the supervision and regulatory framework of the US government, he has zero choice about doing full tests and checks to their satisfaction before they'll even consider allowing them to launch, let alone launch with a human on board.

Space X has done great, but I suspect it's going to be despite Musk's "technical help" rather than thanks to do, as it's starting to become very clear that the thing Musk is best at is being a sales person, in the classic IT sense, promise big and trying to keep the money coming in until the company can start to deliver on what was promised or it's no longer relevant.

Having seen Musk's approach to Twitter and Tesla the thought of him being the one that chooses when you do something like put a human in a new space craft is scary.
I read this morning that Tesla are right down there in terms of customer satisfaction.

Those of us who doubt the longevity of the company now the big boys are entering the electric market may have a point.

TBH from what i've heard/seen of Tesla's cars, the QC on them seems to be worse than a budget Kia from 20 years ago, certainly his customers seem to be willing to put up with issues that would have gotten complaints from someone paying £8k* for a car, let alone £30k+, and many of them seem to be because he didn't want to sort out a proper production line and was desperate to ship vehicles with known issues** to meet projections in the knowledge that he could bluff some of the issues as "well that's normal" and get others fixed after delivery despite that being far more expensive for the company and inconvenient to the customer than to catch them (or better yet to fix the issues on the production line) before they left the factory.

Tesla were for a long time the only real electric car producer which gave them a huge lead, and if they'd looked at the lessons the other car manufacturers learned over the last 100+ years, they would probably be in a much better position now than they are, instead they seemed to assume the other car manufacturers wouldn't eventually start making electric cars with properly thought out production lines and in large quantities, forgetting that as a car manufacturer you either need to be niche with a product people are willing to pay a premium for (or the only one in that market so the "classic" luxury cars, Jaguar, Porche etc), or make enough efficiently enough to get the savings from bulk.


*I'm not kidding, I had a Rio in 2001 that cost £6.5k new, and it had better panel lines than what I've seen many Tesla owners defend as "normal". It was a fairly rubbish car in terms of features, but it was built to a consistent standard (I gave it to my sister in '13, it lasted another 3 years without even basic servicing).

**IIRC apparently a lot of one model of Tesla have a "rattle" in the back, which if what i've read is true is because Tesla demanded a very specific design for part of a rear axel casting despite being warned it would have a high failure rate in casting***, then shifting production from the company they originally had making it to another because the original company wouldn't pass the failed ones (causing delays), but the second supplier was quite happy to ship them out with bits of waste metal trapped and bouncing around, or casting that was thinner than spec and thus more likely to crack.

***Not the fault of the company casting it, as complex castings always have a higher failure rate but the way you normally deal with that is to try and adjust the design, or you allow for it in how much you're willing to pay per "good" casting and the company can then do more casts at once to allow for X% failing without it impacting delivery rates.
 
That’s a good point unless they promise never to use that data and it’s only used for identification for a true account.

Bots, fake accounts inflate users on social platforms. This is a problem.
I don't trust them, especially when they've been known to abuse rules/ laws in other countries regarding information, etc. People look at me in horror when I tell them I'm not on social media:cry::D
 
That’s a good point unless they promise never to use that data and it’s only used for identification for a true account.

Bots, fake accounts inflate users on social platforms. This is a problem.
Given that Musk has basically given a dodgy journalist access to people's accounts and information and shown zero regards for privacy laws he's doing a really good job of making the arguement that no one should hand over any personal information they can avoid to these companies, because all it takes is one bored, and doesn't care billionaire to basically decide the law doesn't apply and sell that information, give it away, or simply not care enough to handle with with care to try and avoid people getting it.

Bots etc on social media are an issue, but it's not something that should require everyone hand over the information that is needed to make the next generation of those bots so much more effective (and fraud against you) when that data is released into the wild because someone fired the security team or didn't think that it was worth paying for staff to proactively apply security patches.
I'm of the "old" generation or pre 2000 internet users who remember the message back before social media was all about companies making money out of your personal information, about not giving out your personal information willy nilly to everyone online. The amount of stuff people willingly give the likes of Facebook or worse the general public via Facebook etc about their personal life is at times more than just mildly horrifying to me, given how that information could be used against you for everything from fraud to harassment, to you being persecuted if for example a new law is passed. There are a lot of warnings in the US about using things like period tracking apps/features or loyalty card apps if you're in one of the forced birth states, as the companies collecting that information are already in some cases selling it to anyone that wants it (apparently at least one pharmacy chain passes on information about people buying pregnancy tests to companies that make baby products).
 
I don't trust them, especially when they've been known to abuse rules/ laws in other countries regarding information, etc. People look at me in horror when I tell them I'm not on social media:cry::D
I refuse to use Facebook on anything other than an inprivate browser and keep the amount of data is has on me to a minimum, I'd not use it at all except that my wargaming club organises everything through it. Not using it is made somewhat easier by the fact that I hate the facebook layout and find it actively hard to locate what should be simple data because of the way it organises it (and the less said about the fact if you press enter it submits a post, rather than moves you to a new line like every other app since the manual typewriter)
 
Given that Musk has basically given a dodgy journalist access to people's accounts and information and shown zero regards for privacy laws he's doing a really good job of making the arguement that no one should hand over any personal information they can avoid to these companies, because all it takes is one bored, and doesn't care billionaire to basically decide the law doesn't apply and sell that information, give it away, or simply not care enough to handle with with care to try and avoid people getting it.

Bots etc on social media are an issue, but it's not something that should require everyone hand over the information that is needed to make the next generation of those bots so much more effective (and fraud against you) when that data is released into the wild because someone fired the security team or didn't think that it was worth paying for staff to proactively apply security patches.
I'm of the "old" generation or pre 2000 internet users who remember the message back before social media was all about companies making money out of your personal information, about not giving out your personal information willy nilly to everyone online. The amount of stuff people willingly give the likes of Facebook or worse the general public via Facebook etc about their personal life is at times more than just mildly horrifying to me, given how that information could be used against you for everything from fraud to harassment, to you being persecuted if for example a new law is passed. There are a lot of warnings in the US about using things like period tracking apps/features or loyalty card apps if you're in one of the forced birth states, as the companies collecting that information are already in some cases selling it to anyone that wants it (apparently at least one pharmacy chain passes on information about people buying pregnancy tests to companies that make baby products).

I guess we have a big problem all trusting companies. This alone is a major issue to fix. If only social media could be trusted.
 
I guess we have a big problem all trusting companies. This alone is a major issue to fix. If only social media could be trusted.
Yup.

The large social media sites, and the likes of some of the US stores with loyalty cards have repeatedly shown that if you trust them with your personal information at best they're likely to be careless with it, at worst they're going to actively abuse it. and they really don't seem to care about trying to get that trust back except where paying lip service to things like data protection is needed to get the profits back.
 
Yup.

The large social media sites, and the likes of some of the US stores with loyalty cards have repeatedly shown that if you trust them with your personal information at best they're likely to be careless with it, at worst they're going to actively abuse it. and they really don't seem to care about trying to get that trust back except where paying lip service to things like data protection is needed to get the profits back.

I don’t like that, it’s madness how companies get away with it.
 
Poor guy. I thought he'd be in better spirits with the Xmas break, but seems he's crashing harder. I hope he seeks help. His posts are becoming more and more like Kanye west's each day with how detached they are

He should just hire someone to take over so he can sit back and actually come up with ideas instead of getting mixed into the daily politics.

If I was running Twitter I wouldn't even be on the platform while running it, I would also hire someone to be chief whip.
 
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If I was running Twitter I wouldn't even be on the platform while running it, I would also hire someone to be chief whip
The trouble is, he knows the only reason that twitter has seen an uptick in viewers is because the world is watching his tweets and sharing how stupid they are. He can claim how popular twitter is to distract from how much it's failing financially, but his worshippers will lap it up. If he stopped tweeting, the viewer uptick goes away, and most importantly, the attention he craves goes too.
 
I can think of a good majority of people (myself included) whom wouldn't upload their ID and personal information to these companies where you are the product; for them to do as they please with.
I can understand that. It's not my preferred situation either.

The alternative is to make it a subscription service, then the account would be linked to a debit/credit card.
 
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