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I could not think of a less important thing when purchasing a car. Each to their own.
The ongoing Elon Twitter saga: "insert demographic" melts down
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Why would I need to drive at 160kph when my country's maximum speed limit is 110kph?
The Hyundai Ioniq 5 has a maximum speed of 185kph (again, more than I'd ever need) and a maximum range of 500km, with a superior finish that you won't find on a Tesla. I'm fine with that, and the retail price is still comparable to a Tesla (obviously much cheaper if I bought one second hand, which I would).
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To be fair, 99.9% of people aren't going to care that it can't go over 100mph.
Because it's fun and not sleep inducing like driving at 70 mph. I mean come on, I'm sure the UK is not like the rest of the world where a good portion of drivers ignore the speed limits when possible. Western Europe is the worst in that case, southern and eastern European countries are much more pleasant to drive in and people drive much faster, I quite enjoyed driving in Italy and Greece and think that driving in Poland, Croatia, Slovenia e.t.c. is vastly nicer than western Europe, although we do have some unlimited bits nearby at Germany. But I can't imagine 99.9% driving the speed limit in the UK, when even in anti speeding NL on some roads around 40% of people are speeding. I must admit I've not driven in Britain, only in Ireland, but I didn't really notice people going so slow on the motorway.
That is actually quite nice, I've not done any research into the Ionic 5 I have to admit, you barely see them on the road. That's an acceptable top speed. The acceleration is a but sluggish imho.
It is a bit slow though (the base model) compared to similarly priced Tesla Model 3. I'm not sure where you get the prices but the base model Ionic is only 1 grand cheaper than a model 3? That's a 2-3% price difference?
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And also illegal. I drive a 22 year old Alfa Romeo 156, and I've never been above 110kph in it even though it can go much higher. We don't have autobahns here in Australia.
Yes, the price is comparable, as I said. Hyundai does make cheaper electric cars (e.g. the Kona, which I still find consider value than a Tesla). Performance is not a top priority for me, but range and build quality are.
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Acceleration - yes, but most high performance EVs have this. My 350kw Polestar 2 does 0-60 in just over 4 seconds.
Top Speed - Absolutely pointless unless you live in Germany. Also the Model S plaid does NOT do 200mph as advertised.
Battery performance - If you mean range then yes, Tesla are one of the best.
UI - Yes, their software is very good but they have done away with too much useful stuff for drivers, such as a digital cockpit display and physical buttons for climate control. The fact they don't have a heads up display on any models is bizzare.
Ride quality? The Model Y is incredibly stiff to the point of being downright uncomfortable IMO. The Model S and X have air suspension so they do fair better. Handling is decent, but they aren't what I would call drivers cars (nor is mine)
Audio - Again there's plenty of other cars with better audio, but it's ok.
They make some very strange decisions, like only having basic LED lights available even on the top model. These are functional and can't touch the matrix LEDs (Audi/Volvo) or Laser lights (BMW) that other manufacturers have.
The Tesla supercharging network is great, but they often don't have any facilities to use, such as a toilet.
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Top speed is a funny thing. When I read snowdogs post my thought was why do you want a car with that top end? At the same time I own motorbikes, I raced motorbikes for years and if out for a ride on roads where I'm only risking my own life I still pop over the 100mph limit, limit as its seen as an automatic licence loser if you get caught. I sold my sports bike and bought a super naked so it feels faster at lower speeds but I do understand the feeling of speed. Not sure I'd want to take a Tesla on a trackday though with all that weight. The acceleration and instant torque is very nice though.
Lets just say I view speed limits on motorways more as suggestions, and thought most petrolheads do.
And yep I know what you mean, on a naked bike 90 mph feels very dodgy while in the car it's a very slow relaxing cruising speed (if traffic allows). Hell I've had a very dodgy De-Tech (Honda Win Clone) in Vietnam and even 50 mph felt like lightspeed there ( I did about 2500 km's on a dodgy Chinese bike in VN)! Noticed the steering was loose in the end and also under braking it vibrated like hell.
I occasionally drive over to Poland and being able to do 120mph+ when possible simply saves noticable time off my trip. That and Vmax+50 is safe for your licence, that means 180 km/h in NL in the evenings, no speed limits in a lot of DE and in Poland 190 km/h without to much worries about risking license! Unfortunately FEV's have **** poor range at high speed which is why for now I picked a PHEV. Top speed is 148 mph (tested it out a few times) but it can't hold that speed very long (battery's), it is possible to drive 120mph though for longer periods without problems.
For speed camera's and rozzers we have Flitsmeister, Waze and of course Target Blu-eye. Biggest risk is lasers, and I was contemplating a laser ja ehhh... parking sensor
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And yep I know what you mean, on a naked bike 90 mph feels very dodgy while in the car it's a very slow relaxing cruising speed (if traffic allows). Hell I've had a very dodgy De-Tech (Honda Win Clone) in Vietnam and even 50 mph felt like lightspeed there ( I did about 2500 km's on a dodgy Chinese bike in VN)! Noticed the steering was loose in the end and also under braking it vibrated like hell.
I occasionally drive over to Poland and being able to do 120mph+ when possible simply saves noticable time off my trip. That and Vmax+50 is safe for your licence, that means 180 km/h in NL in the evenings, no speed limits in a lot of DE and in Poland 190 km/h without to much worries about risking license! Unfortunately FEV's have **** poor range at high speed which is why for now I picked a PHEV. Top speed is 148 mph (tested it out a few times) but it can't hold that speed very long (battery's), it is possible to drive 120mph though for longer periods without problems.
For speed camera's and rozzers we have Flitsmeister, Waze and of course Target Blu-eye. Biggest risk is lasers, and I was contemplating a laser ja ehhh... parking sensor
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Top speed is not really exciting....
What makes a car exciting to drive is acceleration and handling.
We-e-e-ell...yes, to a point. But the most exciting, involving and all-out fun car I've driven in the last ~15 years didn't handle, didn't really accelerate and topped out at about 70mph.
Everyone should try a Land Rover Series IIa at some point
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I wonder if Elon has realised yet that these people will never buy into EV. They will never buy into climate change. If he is hoping they will buy Tesla after liberals walk away he is dreaming. They only support you Elon because you are owning the libs in their eyes, that is it.
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Imagine dropping another Twitter Files during an event in Congress that hasn't been seen in 100 years 
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Twitter's choking again. Can't load properly. Nice work, Musky!
To be fair, I can imagine Musk being into that sort of thing - both giving and receiving.
Still, no kink shaming here!
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Nick Griffin, speaks the truth for a change?
Rofllol never thaught id see the day ocuk agreed with the bnp I'm not sure that you aren't still waiting for that day, some people on here agree with the BNP and have done for a good period of time but as far as I can tell the vast majority do not and for that I am grateful. It's a piece...
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Nick Griffin, speaks the truth for a change?
Rofllol never thaught id see the day ocuk agreed with the bnp I'm not sure that you aren't still waiting for that day, some people on here agree with the BNP and have done for a good period of time but as far as I can tell the vast majority do not and for that I am grateful. It's a piece...
Nice try. But wrong again..let me help you.
" They only support you Elon because you are owning the libs in their eyes, that is it."
I don't support him in anyway.
I just thinks it funny you and your gang get upset.
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It's astounding how quickly you've posted these 2 things.
I'll wait for your citation
I know you won't post anything but it's worth a try so others can see you for what you are
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I'm so cool I didn't even know I had a gang!
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