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Lots of good mouth frothing in here but you are ignoring that Musk is personified through Tesla. Much like Steve Jobs and Apple. I bet you couldn't name a single CEO of any of those car companies.
The ongoing Elon Twitter saga: "insert demographic" melts down
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What on earth has that got to with any of my points? Are you suggesting that people should only care if the CEO of a company is an idiot and not if the company is a morally bankrupt mess? I know exactly why the lady is embarrassed and its ridiculous. In the grand scheme of nasty people, Elon musk doesn't even register. Its pathetic.
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No. But to argue it isn't fair game to not like Tesla because it is Elon Musk is just wrong.
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Why don't you fellas relax a bit, maybe take a robe or two off, see what happens.
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I think its really stupid but yes, people can dislike whatever and whoever they want. My issue is with people who have strong views on people like Musk and Tesla for the sole reason he is a "celeb CEO". If you actually cared about the things you think make Musk bad then you would have a heart attack if you looked at any of the people in charge of the fortune 500 companies. Its just lazy slacktivism and cool to hate Musk.
My main point was that its stupid to be embarrassed about the car you drive because the guy who owns the company who made it is a knob. You don't care about him, you are just massively insecure and worry what strangers think about you. Its ridiculous.
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I said this on December 4th:https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/t...demographic-melts-down.18950820/post-36057971
(I have expanded and clarified it below):
I wouldn't say I was ever a fan of Elon, because I didn't know much if anything about him. But I was a fan of Tesla for a time, particularly around 2018 when they were seemingly the only decent EVs around. I remember being in San Francisco on my Honeymoon and getting excited spotting all the Model S being driven about and later watching YouTube videos leading up to the Model 3 US launch.
But having now test-driven 2 different Tesla's (Model S and Model Y) my opinion has changed over time. Firstly I currently own a well specced electric vehicle myself (Polestar 2) which does rival the Model 3 in most areas and overtakes it in terms of most features. Including the Polestar 2 I've also now had two non-tesla cars with self driving capabilities, so whilst they appeared to be leading the way a few years ago, they seemed to have stalled more recently even with the masses of data they must be accumulating.
But really it was the decline of driver focused engineering in Tesla cars which killed it for me. Examples such as not having a driver instrument cluster in Model 3/Y, the stupid Yolk steering on the model S plaid, the taking out of safety featues like RADAR to save money, I had gone off them anyway. The Model Y ride was also pretty uncomfortable compared to my car.
Their CEO turning out to be a thin skinned liar with an army of sycophants was the very last straw really in a long line of things.
But hey, if they put Matrix lights, air suspension and a digital cockpit or Heads up display in to a Model Y, I might consider it again. Musk not being CEO would be a bonus.
They've still got the super-charger network (though I do find they are mostly in awful locations with no toilets or facilities) but many of the other car manufacturers have caught up or overtaken them. I'd much rather have a well specced BMW iX 50 than a Model X.
Bold of you to assume I am wearing anything.
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I thought Musk was a russian bot?
He seesm to have the same talking points. Anti mask/covid, republican, Ukraine giving in to russia, crazy CT stuff, guns, the list goes on.
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His Saudi puppet masters also agree w.r.t to Twitter being better without him being CEO, too.
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But why isn't your issue that it's stupid to feel good about a car you drive because the guy who owns the company is seen as a visionary leader and advancing the world etc etc? Which no doubt tesla massively enjoyed success due to Elon'sability to market himself so well.
Only now you dislike people ditching tesla because of negative Elon news, but you've not had an issue with those buying tesla because of positive news.
You see the issue here? You real issue is not what you think it is.
I get your point, but think you can't say its wrong to ditch a brand when the ceo is a terrible person, but then silent that people are supporting and buying a brand due to postivie views of the owner. You understand why trump named all his businesses trump x y and Z?
Brands exist for a reason, for good and bad. People ditch brands for good reason and they support brands for good reasons, and they also ditch brands for bad reasons and support for bad reasons, but this should still continue.
Look at what happened in Russia with brands pulling out because of the war. They didn't want to be seen as supporting Russia and so lose sales. You can understand that when Elon supports russia/Republicans/tell people how to vote, this can tarnish Elon brand which due to Elon alone, tesla brand = Elon brand.
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I do think it is stupid to buy a product based on their CEO no matter how fantastically amazing you think he is. I can understand buying a Tesla to be a small part of phasing out fossil fuels but then that hasn't changed now that people see Elon for the muppet he is. Nothing has changed other than Elon himself. I never bought Apple products because of Steve Jobs. Since he died Apple have gone from strength to strength as well. He saved Apple but it wasn't the cult of Jobs in the same way it wasn't the cult of Elon that made Tesla. It was what they did for the companies direction.
Tesla were fundamentally the first to market on making an electric car that people wanted to buy and then supporting it with the charging network. I would be surprised if many people genuinely bought mainly because of Elon and not the product fundamentals.
I never saw stories about people buying Teslas because of Musk. I think anyone who did that is silly too. And this lady is complaining not because she doesn't like her car, but because she thinks strangers might judge her. Thats sad.
As covered above, buying a product due to the celebrity status of the owner is ridiculous on both sides. If you genuinely care enough about any CEO to have your decision swayed in either direction then perhaps you are either an idiot who is more worried about what others think or you need to start applying this a little more seriously and wondering whether you should cancel that amazon prime subscription or stop buying 80% of the stuff you buy.
"I don't like my Tesla anymore because their CEO is an idiot and people might judge me but I don't care enough to see that Bezos is an absolute scumbag and that companies like Coca Cola quite literally cause the deaths of thousands a year".
Of course they are. They are free to buy a product because they like the first letter of the company name. That doesn't mean they aren't being an idiot...
To put it another way. People are free to think that being gay is wrong and the devils work. That doesn't mean they aren't an idiot...
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You are trying to preach "right think" now, and say that anyone who doesn't believe what you believe is an idiot.
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I do understand your point, and it's not entirely wrong.
overall the ladies point is correct though. People will judge her negatively due to Elon's latest stupid mistakes. How many will judge her is anyone's guess at this point, but it's definitely growing thanks to Elon. (again doesn't mean it's a large enough size group to even consider)
Essentially it comes down to customers saying "I like tesla and like many, one of the reasons i buy certain car brands is the image they present, but I can't support a company that Elon runs as I feel I'm being judged negatively, and I feel this because I would judge others in a similar situation, for instance, if they continued to go to trump resorts, knowing what person trump is and with very easy, often better, alternatives available"
That in my view isn't that stupid. I wouldn't have bought trump before his election, but I definitely wouldn't now since his election. Am I silly because I also use amazon prime? I'd say not, because in particular, I have no other choice. Tell me another company to use that provides the same service as amazon. None exist. There are however many great hotels I can go to instead. There are now also many great electric cars to have, not just tesla, which have been historically badly built, and now the ceo is a loony toon, and the image of owning a tesla has changed.
You also have to think, cars in particular are bought because of the image. If Elon is dragging tesla images through the mud, that is an issue tesla face, and an issue that instantly goes away when Elon is gone.
Finally, just because someone isn't going full into activism, doesn't mean they can't find small things that want to be active about.
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Bird charity locked out of Twitter after woodcock tweets
Elon Musk describes the issues faced by the charity as the "most ironic thing I've read in a while".
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Who wouldn't be surprised if her story turned out to be made up?
I disagree. Tesla for a very long time was kep alive by the celebrity status of Musk. It made it difficult for other companies to jump in because they were unsure if people were buying Tesla's because they wanted an EV or because they liked Musk.
The "trust in Musk" is why the Tesla share price was so heavily inflated.
In the past few years this has changed a lot, but there are still some people jumping in because they like Musk (moreso before he bought twitter
) .She's getting busted left and right now. Her story is wildly inconsistent, and her claims are demonstrably false. Huge embarrassment for Musk. He should just take the L and apologise now.
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