The ongoing Elon Twitter saga: "insert demographic" melts down

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Let's remember that the Twitter board didn't actually want to sell him Twitter - an offer way above asking price was the only way to actually buy it.
Thats not how it actually works with a publicly listed stock

Its the "normal" way. Buy a decent chunk, go to the board and say you want it all.
The board write to the shareholders and recommend/suggest refusing the offer price.

You can of course continue to buy the publicly available stock until you exceed 51% when other actions can/should/must be taken.
There are laws on disclosure etc to avoid you doing that invisibly.
 
No. He decided it wasn't worth it, and desperately tried every legal trick in the book to wriggle out of the contract. Twitter took him to court and enforced it, and then Musk was stuck with a social media platform he'd already decided he didn't even want at the price he'd just paid.

Ever since then, he's been trying to come up with new ways to monetise a social media platform that's haemorrhaging money at a prodigious rate.

So what, there are thousands of buyers on Ebay who try every trick in the book to unsuccessfully wriggle out of impetuous purchases, but nonetheless end up with a product they no longer apparently desire? Are you similarly enraged by their actions and the end result? I presume you dislike Musk, or his political stance, maybe both, so why are you aghast at him making what you seem to be claiming to be a poor and ill considered purchase that is losing him money?
 
So what, there are thousands of buyers on Ebay who try every trick in the book to unsuccessfully wriggle out of impetuous purchases, but nonetheless end up with a product they no longer apparently desire? Are you similarly enraged by their actions and the end result?

Are they immigrants?

I presume you dislike Musk, or his political stance, maybe both,

You know what they say about assuming

so why are you aghast at him making what you seem to be claiming to be a poor and ill considered purchase that is losing him money?

No-one is "aghast" and I'd say everyone agrees that it's up to him what he does with his money.

The point you are so glaringly missing is that it's evidence to some, that contrary to simps view that daddy Elon is a genius at everything he does and can do no wrong, that in fact he is just a fallible human and can make mistakes, even large $44Bn ones...

So nothing to do with disliking him personally, or his political stance, just not fawning over every action and worshipping the ground he walks on, like others.
 
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You seem insistent on it being "bad business", yet so is owning a private rocket company, or investing all of your money into an electric car company to try and compete with the likes of Ford and General Motors. I don't think Elon Musk cares as much about his bank balance as you and a lot of other people think he should. You seem continually baffled that a man who has consistently made very risky business choices continues to do that. Perhaps the logical explanation is that he did it for the reasons he stated. He obviously isn't worried about going broke, he's never going to be poor, it doesn't matter if you overpay when you're still the richest man alive (or there abouts)
The fact he managed to make a rocket company and Tesla doesn't mean anything in regards to twitter. I'm sure Hamilton is a great F1 driver, doesn't mean I want him taking the controls of a 747 when I'm in it (although how hard can it be for him, they're both vehicles that go fast and make a lot of noise).

You can be very good in one area, or at least get good people around you who can make you look good despite yourself, but that doesn't mean you're actually any good in other unrelated areas. and social media whilst being "tech" is not "pure tech" like rocketry.

People talk about rocket science being hard, I've seen rocket scientists say they don't necessarily consider it that hard, as long as they've got the resources and time they'll eventually get it to work as it's all pure science apart from getting the funding.
I've seen those same rocket scientists comment that they consider stuff that is social related much harder (such as politics and fundraising) as that involves human factors that they can't control. (rather like a social media platform!)

Musk seems to have thought (if he thought about the difference at all), that Twitter was going to be tech like Tesla, forgetting that Twitter in itself is quite a simple idea, it's the human factor that made it popular, the fact that it put people together so they could interact with each other, and then twitter could make money by selling adverts.
Unfortunately for musk pretty much the moment he started talking about what he wanted to do with twitter he worried the people that paid the bills for it, then he just went downhill from there.

For example, if pretty much every tom dick and harry could see that things like letting anyone buy the mark of a verified account was going to cause chaos, then how did someone who supposedly knows what he is doing miss that?
His interaction with Stephen King further showed that he didn't have a clue what he was doing, wanting to charge the people that create the content that he needs on twitter to keep the people that the advertiser want to see their ads showed he had no idea about how it was funded, of the basic premise of Twitter as far as it's users, both "normal" and "big name" were concerned.
Even now the whole tick thing is a farce, as what "paid for" verified gives you seems to be constantly changing (and people that have paid for it haven't got features that were promised), meanwhile he's gone from what was basically 1 verified identifier to about 4, and having complained about how cluttered the UI looked he's made it even more cluttered and hard to use (is that person verified because they are in fact a famous author, or just someone with a one use credit card number, dig three levels down to find out!)

Not to mention the whole thing where Musk didn't appear to know really basic tech related stuff, such as Apple taking a share of any money paid through it's app store (I'm not sure if anyone has pointed out to him Google do/did the same), and having a hissy fit about that.
 
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Also some expensive loans that added to Twitters cash flow problems

You've just described 80% of growth stocks tbh. But that's why they are growth stocks, foregoing immediate profit for long term network effects and pricing power. If Musk turns Twitter into the western WeChat, it'll be worth 10 times what it is now.
 
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You've just described 80% of growth stocks tbh. But that's why they are growth stocks, foregoing immediate profit for long term network effects and pricing power. If Musk turns Twitter into the western WeChat, it'll be worth 10 times what it is now.
This is a leveraged buy out, the debt is being used to buy the company not grow it. If he can turn it into WeChat with no staff and no capital raises then he deserves 20x
 
This is a leveraged buy out, the debt is being used to buy the company not grow it. If he can turn it into WeChat with no staff and no capital raises then he deserves 20x

The macro environment is determining the streamlining, much like the rest of the tech sector. You survive and reassess. And the majority of the leverage is coming from banks, he wont have any trouble getting capital when the world has got past this tightening.
 
The fact he managed to make a rocket company and Tesla doesn't mean anything in regards to twitter. I'm sure Hamilton is a great F1 driver, doesn't mean I want him taking the controls of a 747 when I'm in it (although how hard can it be for him, they're both vehicles that go fast and make a lot of noise).

You can be very good in one area, or at least get good people around you who can make you look good despite yourself, but that doesn't mean you're actually any good in other unrelated areas. and social media whilst being "tech" is not "pure tech" like rocketry.

People talk about rocket science being hard, I've seen rocket scientists say they don't necessarily consider it that hard, as long as they've got the resources and time they'll eventually get it to work as it's all pure science apart from getting the funding.
I've seen those same rocket scientists comment that they consider stuff that is social related much harder (such as politics and fundraising) as that involves human factors that they can't control. (rather like a social media platform!)

Musk seems to have thought (if he thought about the difference at all), that Twitter was going to be tech like Tesla, forgetting that Twitter in itself is quite a simple idea, it's the human factor that made it popular, the fact that it put people together so they could interact with each other, and then twitter could make money by selling adverts.
Unfortunately for musk pretty much the moment he started talking about what he wanted to do with twitter he worried the people that paid the bills for it, then he just went downhill from there.

For example, if pretty much every tom dick and harry could see that things like letting anyone buy the mark of a verified account was going to cause chaos, then how did someone who supposedly knows what he is doing miss that?
His interaction with Stephen King further showed that he didn't have a clue what he was doing, wanting to charge the people that create the content that he needs on twitter to keep the people that the advertiser want to see their ads showed he had no idea about how it was funded, of the basic premise of Twitter as far as it's users, both "normal" and "big name" were concerned.
Even now the whole tick thing is a farce, as what "paid for" verified gives you seems to be constantly changing (and people that have paid for it haven't got features that were promised), meanwhile he's gone from what was basically 1 verified identifier to about 4, and having complained about how cluttered the UI looked he's made it even more cluttered and hard to use (is that person verified because they are in fact a famous author, or just someone with a one use credit card number, dig three levels down to find out!)

Not to mention the whole thing where Musk didn't appear to know really basic tech related stuff, such as Apple taking a share of any money paid through it's app store (I'm not sure if anyone has pointed out to him Google do/did the same), and having a hissy fit about that.

I work with some really smart people. They can predict the interaction of some really complex chemicals in advance and how the body will react to them via the senses

When once a month they are asked to use a simple tool that is already prepopulated with their credit card spend to check some things and fill in a few blanks you would have though they were being asked to mentally recite Pi to 100,000 decimal places with how hard it apparently is.
And yet the girl who works in one of the offices with the emergency credit card who has to follow the same procedure and is paid basically a 5th of what they get manages with no issue.
 
I work with some really smart people. They can predict the interaction of some really complex chemicals in advance and how the body will react to them via the senses

When once a month they are asked to use a simple tool that is already prepopulated with their credit card spend to check some things and fill in a few blanks you would have though they were being asked to mentally recite Pi to 100,000 decimal places with how hard it apparently is.
And yet the girl who works in one of the offices with the emergency credit card who has to follow the same procedure and is paid basically a 5th of what they get manages with no issue.

Sounds a bit like my Uncle, great guy, pretty much known world wide, literally wrote text books on his specialist subject, he used to joke how it was great they were standard in Russia and China for a long time, just a shame they never paid royalties.
He also couldn't remember that he'd left his baby daughter at the checkout until he'd been walking home for several minutes (this was back in the 70's).

Or for that matter all the stories about doctors/brain surgeons who could never get the hang of using a computer, because it wasn't important to them and they were in their 50's before they were introduced to them.

Some of the best minds in the world are absolutely useless outside their field, which is something I don't think some of the Musk fans realise, I mean there is the old term "idiot savant" for a reason.
I suspect one of the differences between say Musk and Gates is that Gates had people around him who would say no, and he was willing to at least listen to them, not fire them for stating the truth.
 
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Sounds a bit like my Uncle, great guy, pretty much known world wide, literally wrote text books on his specialist subject, he used to joke how it was great they were standard in Russia and China for a long time, shame they never paid royalties.
Couldn't remember that he'd left his baby daughter at the checkout until he'd been walking home for several minutes (this was back in the 70's).

Or for that matter all the stories about doctors/brain surgeons who could never get the hang of using a computer, because it wasn't important to them and they were in their 50's before they were introduced to them.

Some of the best minds in the world are absolutely useless outside their field, which is something I don't think some of the Musk fans realise, I mean there is the old term "idiot savant" for a reason.
I suspect one of the differences between say Musk and Gates is that Gates had people around him who would say no, and he was willing to at least listen to them, not fire them for stating the truth.

Personally, i think to be truly great/knowledgeable at a single thing, you kind of have to forgo being very good at/knowing about lots of other stuff. The brain can only take so much.
 
The cleverest person I know who works in pharmaceuticals is, IRL, a massive ****wit!

He's been my best mate for nearly 40 years but my god he's a lovable idiot outside 'the lab'.
 
Personally, i think to be truly great/knowledgeable at a single thing, you kind of have to forgo being very good at/knowing about lots of other stuff. The brain can only take so much.

There's also the time issue.

If you want to be a great violinist, you have to do focused practice for literally thousands of hours. That's bound to reduce the time available for developing other skills.

There's only so many hours in a day...
 
There's also the time issue.

If you want to be a great violinist, you have to do focused practice for literally thousands of hours. That's bound to reduce the time available for developing other skills.

There's only so many hours in a day...

Yes indeed I was going to say this.
The more outstanding you want to be at something the more you need to specialise and refine that more and more.
A good example would be a decathlete. They have to be good at 10 events, and can benefit from gaining in any of them.
No decathlete will be the best at every event since some are semi contradictory, eg 100 vs 1500m body profile.
They would all without doubt be able to be better at any of the disciplines should they focus on that one only. Eg 100m put on muscle spend more time twitch muscle response, or 1500m focus on optimising lower muscle mass and endurance muscle fitness over twitch muscles

No leader is great at everything. Probably the most important trait in a leader is knowing when to call the expert and support them rather than assuming they know it all.
To me Elon seemed to demonstrate this at Spacex and Tesla. For some reason that changed at Twitter, my suspicion is its really twofold, 1) he bought into his own hype and 2) hes slightly panicking about what he spent.
 
You could be right about him not knowing his arse from his elbow now he's balls deep in twitter but you seem to fail to realise what musk is... he learns things to the nth degree.. whilst he may be making school boy errors to you, what is happening is him learning. You sometimes have to break stuff.. he's doing his 10,000 hours while all you are doing is sitting here bleating about it online..
 
You could be right about him not knowing his arse from his elbow now he's balls deep in twitter but you seem to fail to realise what musk is... he learns things to the nth degree.. whilst he may be making school boy errors to you, what is happening is him learning. You sometimes have to break stuff.. he's doing his 10,000 hours while all you are doing is sitting here bleating about it online..
Great post. It works both ways though to be fair.

/Thread IMO.
 
You could be right about him not knowing his arse from his elbow now he's balls deep in twitter but you seem to fail to realise what musk is... he learns things to the nth degree.. whilst he may be making school boy errors to you, what is happening is him learning. You sometimes have to break stuff.. he's doing his 10,000 hours while all you are doing is sitting here bleating about it online..

Interesting take.
So based on this when roughly is his apprenticeship going to be concluded and when will he become the master?
Just so we have an idea on when you know, hes going to turn Twitter profitable.
 
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