The ongoing Elon Twitter saga: "insert demographic" melts down

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Werewolf said:
You notice the bit before that, where you have a plan?

Also the markets were spooked before Musk bought Twitter, the Markets are now utterly spooked because the only way it could become more of a clown show is if he started handing out red noses and theatrical face paint.

He's gone into it with zero plan, zero understanding about the most basic things such as the legal obligations, and he's basically throwing stuff around utterly at random, whilst he's pretending he knows everything an ever increasing number of the core Twitter users (the ones people use twitter to communicate with/keep up to date with) are getting in any and all digital lifeboats and if not abandoning ship making sure they've got lodgings ready elsewhere for when Musk either finally breaks it, or does something that puts them at risk.

Having said that we're 100+ days in and so far the only difference Musk has made to twitter is he's increased it's liabilities by pretty much every metric, from debt to decreasing income, to legal liabilities in both civil and criminal cases, and is making it more and more unstable.
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I think there is a line between giving the lad absolutely zero credit and boot licking him. I highly doubt he doesn't have some basic maths, Fight Club style, that talk to the cost of legal action versus hiring a bunch of folk to essentially load up engineering with more requirements. Fundamentally the end product seems roughly the same even though all of these people have been fired, so they can't have been doing all that much core activity. Facebook outsources a lot of that legal and compliance stuff because it's fairly generic and you'll get it wrong anyway, so may as well pay the lowest cost.
 
dLockers said:
You need to read some Jack Welch I think!
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Was he that industralist who bought up the failing companies and turned them around. I cant be arsed to google it but I think I did read some about him in the past.

Thing is if every business was a simple as sack most of the staff there wouldn't be the massive industry there is for liquidations and administration.
Plus of course if your talking about industrial you often have differing pressures, the staff pressures tend to be more unionised, especially decades ago.
Now they are not.

Agree though for sure some companies will be in the bloat phase. I've always seen it, they start creating roles for unnecessary positions and it spreads.
Director of this, Vp of that, they then start trying to build their empire. Eventually the reset comes, normally when a downturn happens
 
GaryTheSnail said:
I bet Elon wish he never purchased twitter now.
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In some ways but in others I bet hes loving the attention though.
I mean if he had bought it, set about a structured plan, been reducing the bloat, cutting the frills, keeping legal, paying his bills, it would probably have fallen off most peoples radars two months ago.

If you follow a few of his tweets the fans are sickening. They are the same as Trump fans were, and I suspect Biden fans are
Literally anything he says they gush praise over even if its one of his dumb tweets he then retracts.
I dunno if he gave stuff away before or something but its utterly sad.
 
unwashed potato! said:
So to summarise the last few days.

Everything is or will be great, and it's all thanks to Elon and his master plan. If it looks bad, then spin it with some random theory as to why that bad is not bad and bam, it's greatness again.

Everything that is actually bad. It's those pesky purple hair monsters.

We wouldn't understand as nuance is hard and we're just users of a social platform. What do we know. How can someone who plays 3d chess understand that of a 4d chess player! Although 'they' get it and have figured out the top secret plan that Elon has that'll lead twitter to £440 billion valuation.

Did I miss anything?
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Your posting behaviour is really odd, and always very aggressive. Or maybe it just comes across that way.

I am confused why you, and a few others have what seems like a personal vendetta against Elon and the way he does his business. I do try and stay neutral on this, and not judge until there is an actual measurement to really do so on. But could you summarise for me why you dislike him so much?

Because so far, apart from potentially losing some of his own money, I can't see many reasons why yourself and one or two other users have such a hatred (maybe you don't) towards him.
 
Begbie said:
Your posting behaviour is really odd, and always very aggressive. Or maybe it just comes across that way.

I am confused why you, and a few others have what seems like a personal vendetta against Elon and the way he does his business. I do try and stay neutral on this, and not judge until there is an actual measurement to really do so on. But could you summarise for me why you dislike him so much?

Because so far, apart from potentially losing some of his own money, I can't see many reasons why yourself and one or two other users have such a hatred (maybe you don't) towards him.
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I don't see anyone with anything remotely close to a personal vendetta. "a series of acts marked by bitter hostility and motivated by a desire for revenge."
Nope nothing even remotely like that.
I think you may be failing in your neutrality and thats why your detecting things that aren't there.

From what I can tell most of the "haters" (again suggest you revise that in the dictionary) are far from that.
I have no hatred to Elon, hell I hardly use twitter and only signed up for more Ukraine news. I do use it a little but I would hardly miss it.
So I am very much truly neutral in regards him in this regard. And I DO think what he helped achieve in regards SpaceX and Tesla are worth recognition.

Personally I just don't get the hype some here (and I note you don't call them out) for their constant Elon can do no wrong posts.
Really most of the "dispute" here is around if he has a clue what hes doing or not.
Many of the more balanced posts started with how could he actually manage what he claimed to be doing at the start, eg supporting free speech whilst unbanning many people who had been banned for literally breaching the actual law.
Its just kind of spiralled from there due to IMO those who will hear no bad against Elon, rather than those who sought and still seek to try to work out how hes going to deliver what he said he would.
 
Mercenary Keyboard Warrior said:
I don't see anyone with anything remotely close to a personal vendetta. "a series of acts marked by bitter hostility and motivated by a desire for revenge."
Nope nothing even remotely like that.
I think you may be failing in your neutrality and thats why your detecting things that aren't there.

From what I can tell most of the "haters" (again suggest you revise that in the dictionary) are far from that.
I have no hatred to Elon, hell I hardly use twitter and only signed up for more Ukraine news. I do use it a little but I would hardly miss it.
So I am very much truly neutral in regards him in this regard. And I DO think what he helped achieve in regards SpaceX and Tesla are worth recognition.

Personally I just don't get the hype some here (and I note you don't call them out) for their constant Elon can do no wrong posts.
Really most of the "dispute" here is around if he has a clue what hes doing or not.
Many of the more balanced posts started with how could he actually manage what he claimed to be doing at the start, eg supporting free speech whilst unbanning many people who had been banned for literally breaching the actual law.
Its just kind of spiralled from there due to IMO those who will hear no bad against Elon, rather than those who sought and still seek to try to work out how hes going to deliver what he said he would.
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Who did he unban who have breached the law?

I don't really see any pro Elon posts tbh, I see some defensive posts but I don't see any major 'omg musk is best' posts?
 
Begbie said:
Your posting behaviour is really odd, and always very aggressive. Or maybe it just comes across that way.

I am confused why you, and a few others have what seems like a personal vendetta against Elon and the way he does his business. I do try and stay neutral on this, and not judge until there is an actual measurement to really do so on. But could you summarise for me why you dislike him so much?

Because so far, apart from potentially losing some of his own money, I can't see many reasons why yourself and one or two other users have such a hatred (maybe you don't) towards him.
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There seems to be an undeniable correlation between posters' political views, both on here, and generally, and their approval or disapproval of Musk now owning Twitter. So I have to conclude it's perhaps more political than a strong, apolitical daily worry about Twitter's potential viability and future financial performance...
 
Begbie said:
Who did he unban who have breached the law?

I don't really see any pro Elon posts tbh, I see some defensive posts but I don't see any major 'omg musk is best' posts?
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Sorry I was being a little lazy. Musk said apart from who had broken the law but I saw some (i wasnt really that interested tbh) people showing accounts that had.
I guess it depends how good twitters previous reasoning had been and I suspect say Trump who hadn't broken the law at that time when banned but could be potentially charged later (see news) would probably not have their status updated.

Look for basically any of Roars posts for total unacceptance of Elon being anything but a genius.

Anyway Im kinda done, spent far too much time on this. TBH Im not really interested. I fully plan to ditch twitter again once Ukraine win :)
 
Mercenary Keyboard Warrior said:
Sorry I was being a little lazy. Musk said apart from who had broken the law but I saw some (i wasnt really that interested tbh) people showing accounts that had.
I guess it depends how good twitters previous reasoning had been and I suspect say Trump who hadn't broken the law at that time when banned but could be potentially charged later (see news) would probably not have their status updated.

Look for basically any of Roars posts for total unacceptance of Elon being anything but a genius.

Anyway Im kinda done, spent far too much time on this. TBH Im not really interested. I fully plan to ditch twitter again once Ukraine win :)
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I didn't post anything except responses to weird hatred for probably about 6 months or more. I fully accepted this thread is just the Speakers Corner bunch needing a new recreational hate target after Trump went quiet.
 
Roar87 said:
I didn't post anything except responses to weird hatred for probably about 6 months or more. I fully accepted this thread is just the Speakers Corner bunch needing a new recreational hate target after Trump went quiet.
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Lol!

@Begbie you're not neutral is the issue I feel here. Once you accept that, you may see the reality.

Just as a latest example of the sillyness you're missing.

Users post about how smart it was that Elon cut the work force and compare it to Facebook also cutting. They ignore that Facebook cut 10 percent, while Elon cut 75 percent. So there's a prime example of the blindly obvious "Elon is geest and can do no wrong" when they overlook clear differences.

Then add to that, the biggest one is how Elon cut the work force, and who he cut.

Let's go with how. He decided to rate workers based on the amount of code they'd written in the last week, and cut the ones that had done the least. This is so blindingly obvious a stupid idea, as efficient clean code writers get the boot, while messy ones stay, but then in top, he cuts super important staff, to have to rehire them again, and then gives ultimatums like "you have 48 hours to decide you're going to work endless hours, do the work of your fired colleagues, and I'll get the x10 value reward" that users on here dream Elon will make from twitter.

It's one of the most interesting things to view and watch. Seeing a big business like Facebook and how the hire and fire, how they decide things, would also be interesting too if they did it in such a terribly bad and public way. They don't. There's good reason they don't. Elon hasn't figured that out yet.

I think on top you may be adding what you want to see to my posts. Some users on here are just wacky, they post about arm size, about girls that were unconscious when they slept with them to prove how hard they are in this very thread, how users on a weekend should not be posting in here (while themselves posting in here), moan that users haven't shared an Elon tweet 2 hours after he posted it. None of this is strange to you, or you ignore it, or perhaps will say you never saw it, but even if we point you to it now, you're bias will mean it'll be brushed aside. In the mean time, it's just fun to watch this Elon fiasco, and watch these users live in fantasy land where Elon can do no wrong and weke after week they need to keep defending every tiny thing Elon does.

We can all laugh at the billionaire pale white skin, because why not, and they have to come and defend Elon like it hurts them not to.

One day you may see which is the side that is angry, and which is the side laughing. I don't think that is today unfortunately.
 
VincentHanna said:
Look harder.
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Not being lazy, but I'm struggling.

@unwashed potato! I don't agree I have a bias, I just don't see a failing business yet. OK, I will admit I do enjoy musk - he is funny, makes cool **** (or provides the means too) and generally winds people up. But that doesn't give me a bias towards musk and his business dealings with twitter.

But a lot of what you're saying has no meaning really. So what that he tired people? Why is that upsetting to you? Is twitter failing? Is that why we should dislike him?

I'm honestly asking why the dislike? I don't get it. Is it because he seems to (not yet really proven) be making bad business decisions?

Or do you just not like that other people do like him?

It seems there is no solid evidence wether he is improving twitter or not yet? And by a measurable means, not just 'I don't like twitter now'.
 
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dLockers said:
The point is Twitter seems to be working just as much as before...
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Perhaps, although...

In February alone, Twitter experienced at least four widespread outages, compared with nine in all of 2022, according to NetBlocks, an organization that tracks internet outages. That suggests the frequency of service failures is on the rise, NetBlocks said. And bugs that have made Twitter less usable - by preventing people from posting tweets, for instance — have been more noticeable, researchers and users said.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/28/technology/twitter-outages-elon-musk.html

There is the age-old saying that "to make an omelette you have to crack a few eggs" but, it isn't a particularly good look having noticeable increased instability in your product since you've taken helm.

Do agree with what @GordyR mentioned, with it having the whiff of new management jumping in feet first making their mark without actually fully understanding the business and product.

Time will tell either way but my money is still currently on him dumping it in a year or two's time. Who knows though, maybe he'll turn it into a Apple-profit-sized global super company and we'll all be gnoshing on the Musk "coolaid".
 
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