The ongoing Elon Twitter saga: "insert demographic" melts down

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Twitter insiders: We can't protect users from trolling under Musk

Current and former employees of the company say there are serious ramifications from mass lay-offs.
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Say it isn't so!

Why are the BBC so full of hate?

Elon has run 3 other succesful companies, what do the BBC know!

The article is written by people that are just jealous of rich people.

What else am i missing that users say to dismiss any critique?

My investigation also reveals:
  • Concerns that child sexual exploitation is on the rise on Twitter and not being sufficiently raised with law enforcement
  • Targeted harassment campaigns aimed at curbing freedom of expression, and foreign influence operations - once removed daily from Twitter - are going "undetected", according to a recent employee.
  • Exclusive data showing how misogynistic online hate targeting me is on the rise since the takeover, and that there has been a 69% increase in new accounts following misogynistic and abusive profiles.
  • Rape survivors have been targeted by accounts that have become more active since the takeover, with indications they've been reinstated or newly created.
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unwashed potato! said:
www.bbc.co.uk

Twitter insiders: We can't protect users from trolling under Musk

Current and former employees of the company say there are serious ramifications from mass lay-offs.
www.bbc.co.uk

Say it isn't so!

Why are the BBC so full of hate?

Elon has run 3 other succesful companies, what do the BBC know!

The article is written by people that are just jealous of rich people.

What else am i missing that users say to dismiss any critique?
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would have happened anyway, previous ownership had all these people sitting around doing nothing dontchaknow
 
plasmahal said:
That's a good thing right?
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Follow the thread...

@unwashed potato! posted a panorama BBC investigation

Article states:

Another insider, who we're calling Rory, is also very concerned about that drain of expertise - and how it appears to be undermining a Musk priority, preventing paedophiles using Twitter to groom victims and share links to abuse. Rory was employed until very recently as part of a team tackling child sexual exploitation [CSE].

His team would identify accounts sharing abusive content about children, escalating the worst to law enforcement. Before the takeover such content was a huge problem, he says - and he already feared they were understaffed.

"Every day you would be able to identify that sort of material," he says.

But his team was cut soon after the acquisition, he says, from 20 people to around six or seven. In his view that's too few to keep on top of the workload.
Rory says - before he left - neither Mr Musk nor any other member of the new management made contact with him and his old team, who between them had years of experience in this area.

"You can't take over a company and suddenly believe you have knowledge… to deal with [Child Sexual Exploitation] without having the experts in place," he says.

Twitter says it removed 400,000 accounts in one month alone to help "make Twitter safer". But Rory is worried there are now fewer people with the knowledge to effectively escalate concerns about this content with law enforcement.

"You can by all means suspend hundreds of thousands of accounts in a month. But if the reporting of that content [to law enforcement] has dropped, then it doesn't really mean anything, and most of the users who had their accounts suspended would just set up a new account anyway."

He adds that offending users can then just set up new accounts, at a time when suspended profiles are being welcomed back to Twitter.
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I then sarcastically said it was better after Musk took over, and referenced previous events where some posters were using a lady's twitter account as proof things had improved, who later turned out to be a liar about her own 'journey'
 
VincentHanna said:
Follow the thread...

@unwashed potato! posted a panorama BBC investigation

Article states:



I then sarcastically said it was better after Musk took over, and referenced previous events where some posters were using a lady's twitter account as proof things had improved, who later turned out to be a liar about her own 'journey'
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So there's absolutely nothing verifiable in the panorama investigation then? Just a bunch of hearsay from ex employees as opposed to Twitter releasing figures showing more accounts have been banned in recent months than previously, I also believe they showed 'troll accounts' were down to pre-musk levels. I assume they must have some statistics to back up their claims as surely the BBC wouldn't be rumormongering to push an agenda...

Then again I wouldn't expect certain posters in the thread to look at anything regarding Musk's Twitter objectively as long as these rumors confirm their biases.
 
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MadMossy said:
All of these so called "expertise" jobs can be and probably have been replaced by an ai bot which is likely faster and more effective than they ever were and will only get better as it learns.
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In terms of automatically flagging and removing content, then maybe one day but the current state of it requires human intervention and that's if AI detects it at all as it can be bypassed. Certainly the case with CSAM and why there's a big ruckus around Apple/Google et al implementing it hardware side.
 
visibleman said:
So hearsay if ex-employees but legit if it's from Musk who's known to bend the truth with what he says/Tweets (why there's "Elon time" etc)?
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Hearsay because some bloke is just spouting his view as opposed to Twitter releasing figures? Yes, I'm more inclined to believe the source that is able to back up those claims.
 
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MadMossy said:
All of these so called "expertise" jobs can be and probably have been replaced by an ai bot which is likely faster and more effective than they ever were and will only get better as it learns.
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Well they tried something a few years ago with interesting results.

Plus am sure Twitter has kept its best AI developers and any in the jobs market would love to work for the current twitter under Musk. /s

www.vice.com

Why Won’t Twitter Treat White Supremacy Like ISIS? Because It Would Mean Banning Some Republican Politicians Too.

A Twitter employee who works on machine learning believes that a proactive, algorithmic solution to white supremacy would also catch Republican politicians.
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visibleman said:
In terms of automatically flagging and removing content, then maybe one day but the current state of it requires human intervention and that's if AI detects it at all as it can be bypassed. Certainly the case with CSAM and why there's a big ruckus around Apple/Google et al implementing it hardware side.
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Also the AI will always lag behind a human in simple language terms and probably for a very long time in terms of taking things into context, as a word of phrase in one context can mean something very different in another and even in the same same language and context the meaning can vary depending on where exactly you are (given we've got about 20 words for bun/bap/cobb etc alone in the UK and the meaning can/does vary depending on where you are, and it only gets worse with US/AUS "English" vs British "English").

The automatic image detection route "at the device/service" also has a bunch of issues, even the latest and greatest versions have been shown by hackers to be vulnerable to potentially high numbers of false positives because of a "loose hash" comparison (I think that's how it was described by the hackers), which was needed to allow for minor changes in the original image, unfortunately that then means that you get a lot more chance for overlap with innocent images (the hackers IIRC were able to get false matches fairly quickly*).

You also of course need people who are experts and know of the sorts of ways the scum are using language to try and get around the blocks/enforcement to actually feed that information into any team maintaining the "AI" models so they're up to date, and to assist in trouble shooting them then they keep flagging up the wrong content (and ideally you want these to not be high paid programmers, because burnout on these teams is high).


*I think I saw one comment how it could be easily weaponised by trolls, criminals and people who say wanted to oust someone from a job/disgrace them/ruin their lives.
 
hudson86 said:
Well they tried something a few years ago with interesting results.

Plus am sure Twitter has kept its best AI developers and any in the jobs market would love to work for the current twitter under Musk. /s

www.vice.com

Why Won’t Twitter Treat White Supremacy Like ISIS? Because It Would Mean Banning Some Republican Politicians Too.

A Twitter employee who works on machine learning believes that a proactive, algorithmic solution to white supremacy would also catch Republican politicians.
www.vice.com www.vice.com
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Ah yes, Vice. White supremacy to them would probably be not having a rainbow flag in your garden. I do watch a lot of their documentaries, but you need to take them with a pinch of salt, they're very far left leaning.
 
C Kent said:
Then again I wouldn't expect certain posters in the thread to look at anything regarding Musk's Twitter objectively as long as these rumors confirm their biases.
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It seems that those same posters don't have any real concern over protecting children from being exploited and abused.
 
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