The ongoing Elon Twitter saga: "insert demographic" melts down

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If hypothetically I had stocks in Tesla I wouldn't have sold them for his twitter mishap as realistically that's just a symptom of his mid-life crisis, no I would sell them because their only product recently is an upscaled child's toy and doesn't appear to have anything else beyond Musk's 'promises' about new products.
 
dowie said:
That's a good start but that's not the average vehicle yet nor is it that minimum necessarily as advanced as Tesla's offering.



Of course it is, not being hit in the first place is preferable to being hit but having a better bonet to land on.
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Now take two cars, both with collision avoidance. This system fails on both of them. One is a Golf, the other is a Cybertruck. Which one do you want to get hit by?
 
Diddums said:
Now take two cars, both with collision avoidance. This system fails on both of them. One is a Golf, the other is a Cybertruck. Which one do you want to get hit by?
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Now try reading the post again:

dowie said:
I'm not assuming that, but the regulations don't require any of that, some do for sure but I doubt most vehicles, let alone light trucks, on the road have similar tech yet. Not to mention not all self-driving or AI-assisted safety features are equal. Of course, what would be even better would be to have a safer shaped vehicle *and* this sort of collision avoidance for sure but as self-driving tech improves it's going to become more and more negligible relative to the ability to avoid most accidents to begin with.
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Rroff said:
Lots of recent vehicles have some form of forward collision system but fewer have a pedestrian recognition system as part of that. Last time I looked at a roundup on it Nissan's was actually one of the better ones despite not using AI.

Annoyingly a lot of these systems fail where they'd be most useful - fog or heavy rain, partly due to patents :(
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The shocking thing is, whilst FSD is a crap show, and how Musk has handled that is atrociuous, Tesla have probably the best core automous systems out there.

Here's the basics:

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It shows FSD is just too sketchy for off highway/motorway use, but look how bad the Ford bluecruise 'handsfree' system was @ 4:00.. nuts.. and that is certified for proper hands off? insane.

I have recently acquired a Model Y (basic AP only) and overall found it much more forward looking than the other cars I drive with AP (VW/Merc and Hyundai), so whilst it has foibles, they all do, in fact, as good as I like Travel Assist in our ID.3, when I jump from the Model Y to the ID.3, it's quite stark how much better the Model Y is.
 
Diddums said:
Oh alright then, because the Cybertruck has collision avoidance it makes is safer than all the other cars with collision avoidance.
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WTF no one said that you lunatic, how have you just read:

"Of course, what would be even better would be to have a safer shaped vehicle *and* this sort of collision avoidance"

And then concluded that? Do you have dyslexia or something?
 
Demon said:
The shocking thing is, whilst FSD is a crap show, and how Musk has handled that is atrociuous, Tesla have probably the best core automous systems out there.

Here's the basics:

And here:
It shows FSD is just too sketchy for off highway/motorway use, but look how bad the Ford bluecruise 'handsfree' system was @ 4:00.. nuts.. and that is certified for proper hands off? insane.

I have recently acquired a Model Y (basic AP only) and overall found it much more forward looking than the other cars I drive with AP (VW/Merc and Hyundai), so whilst it has foibles, they all do, in fact, as good as I like Travel Assist in our ID.3, when I jump from the Model Y to the ID.3, it's quite stark how much better the Model Y is.
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Its clear as day that none of them are even close to having vehicles that don't require constant supervision and intervention from a human. To allow vehicles that don't require humans they don't need to be better than humans, they need to be infallible in all conditions. I think we are years and years away from that.
 
Colonel_Klinck said:
Its clear as day that none of them are even close to having vehicles that don't require constant supervision and intervention from a human. To allow vehicles that don't require humans they don't need to be better than humans, they need to be infallible in all conditions. I think we are years and years away from that.
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Why would the bar for AI self driving be "infallible in all conditions"? Surely the bar is just, better than humans, at which point by not using self drive you're actually costing lives.
 
Roar87 said:
Why would the bar for AI self driving be "infallible in all conditions"? Surely the bar is just, better than humans, at which point by not using self drive you're actually costing lives.
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Humans are expected to make mistakes, we get distracted, we think we are better than we are, we are human, its why we have to have insurance and pass tests. Autonomous vehicles however don't suffer from those human traits/weaknesses. To allow vehicles with no human in it, it has be infallible. The public won't accept an autonomous vehicle making an error and killing someone. If a human does it the human pays a price, they lose their licence and likely their liberty as well. Are you going to put that vehicle in jail? or the CEO of the company that made it? As for the all conditions, we drive in all conditions and in some conditions these vehicles struggle massively.

Would you rather have a pilot who has trained and passed the required tests flying your plane or software that isn't infallible and struggles to know what is going on around it when its dark/raining/foggy/snowing. Although for a plane there isn't other planes coming at it just half a meter away at 60mph or planes pulling out of junctions or kids running into the road. We won't see robotaxi style vehicles for years and years other than in maybe some states that put corporations above public safety. And the first time it goes badly wrong and someone gets killed or badly hurt the public backlash will be massive.
 
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Missed this the other day. So Elon wants to be given 25% voting rights even though he only has 13% of the shares after selling loads of his shares to buy Twitter. And if he doesn't get that he'll take his toys elsewhere and be a competitor to Tesla which he calls a technology company. Have to imagine the SEC would have something to say about that conflict of interest. And there are simps in the replies saying he should be given anything he wants just to keep him happy :cry:

 
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