The ongoing Elon Twitter saga: "insert demographic" melts down

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In the past I've defended Musk against accusations that Tesla's autonomous driving feature doesn't work as claimed. I've seen it in action (as a passenger) and it is extremely impressive. However, I am gradually coming round to the view that this is yet another issue he's been kicking down the road for years.


Tesla's own documentation describes it as 'Full Self-Driving Capability', but immediately contradicts this by admitting that's not what it is at all:

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Roar87 said:
You can listen to this guy speaking about what Elon is like to work for if you enjoy hearing first hand rather than some selective quotes from a news article

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Oh Joe rogan I love that guy!

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Such a factual show with no bias

Anyway, remember when spacex had to go a full safety review and nearly lost its government contracts because elon smoked a joint on that show?
 
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Sankari said:
In the past I've defended Musk against accusations that Tesla's autonomous driving feature doesn't work as claimed. I've seen it in action (as a passenger) and it is extremely impressive. However, I am gradually coming round to the view that this is yet another issue he's been kicking down the road for years.


Tesla's own documentation describes it as 'Full Self-Driving Capability', but immediately contradicts this by admitting that's not what it is at all:

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Mercades meanwhile does take full liability when you use thier level 3 autopilot.

Tesla still hasn't rolled out a level 3 system
 
Tefal said:
Oh Joe rogan I love that guy!

youtu.be

OOPS: Joe Rogan accidentally HUMILIATES Trump on his own show

NEW: Joe Rogan accidentally HUMILIATES Trump on his own showTo pledge to vote for climate champions in 2024, sign here https://actl.ink/edf-climate-champ-...
youtu.be youtu.be

Such a factual show with no bias

Anyway, remember when spacex had to go a full safety review and nearly lost its government contracts because elon smoked a joint on that show?
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Okay, so no actual counter argument then. Marijuana is legal in California. They didn't "nearly lose their government contracts", NASA ordered same safety review because they need to appease crazy and hysterical politically motivated weirdos
 
Roar87 said:
Okay, so no actual counter argument then. Marijuana is legal in California. They didn't "nearly lose their government contracts", NASA ordered same safety review because they need to appease crazy and hysterical politically motivated weirdos
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Marijuana is legal in California.

It is however something that from memory government contractors, especially those on military etc contracts are not allowed to partake of and is explicitly stated as such in the standard contracts, and I suspect it is especially true for the senior people at the contracting company as it's the sort of thing that is the management are doing it can be taken as a sign by the lower level staff that it's ok.
IIRC Nasa has this really odd thing about not wanting people working on rockets to be on drugs, I can't imagine why.
 
Werewolf said:
Marijuana is legal in California.

It is however something that from memory government contractors, especially those on military etc contracts are not allowed to partake of and is explicitly stated as such in the standard contracts, and I suspect it is especially true for the senior people at the contracting company as it's the sort of thing that is the management are doing it can be taken as a sign by the lower level staff that it's ok.
IIRC Nasa has this really odd thing about not wanting people working on rockets to be on drugs, I can't imagine why.
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I won't be dragged into a silly debate about drug use, he took a single drag of a joint on a podcast, mostly just as a bit of fun. The hysterical reaction from apparently intelligent adults is honestly embarassing. The Whiskey he consumed would've had far more noticable effects than a single puff on a joint, which he barely even inhaled.

This also doesn't detract from the fact he created SpaceX from scratch and built the company into what it is doing today, yet people seem intent on dismissing his input. If people can't give him credit for the work at SpaceX then they're either lying or have no clue what they're talking about.
 
Roar87 said:
I won't be dragged into a silly debate about drug use, he took a single drag of a joint on a podcast, mostly just as a bit of fun. The hysterical reaction from apparently intelligent adults is honestly embarassing. The Whiskey he consumed would've had far more noticable effects than a single puff on a joint, which he barely even inhaled
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As much as I half agree with you on this and the non issue of smoking a joint, this is such and obvious example of a "wElL AtchUeLlY" reply.
 
Sankari said:
In the past I've defended Musk against accusations that Tesla's autonomous driving feature doesn't work as claimed. I've seen it in action (as a passenger) and it is extremely impressive. However, I am gradually coming round to the view that this is yet another issue he's been kicking down the road for years.


Tesla's own documentation describes it as 'Full Self-Driving Capability', but immediately contradicts this by admitting that's not what it is at all:

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You seem to have it all backwards..

In the past (Pre 12.3) Musk was indefensible with his claims of Full Self Driving it could never be considered anywhere near close enough that there was 'light at the end of the tunnel'..

With 12.3 It's defensible as it's demonstrating at a level that at least you can see said 'light' and it probably isn't an oncoming train.
Loads of people (not sure morally if they should be doing this without telling people up front..), on Youtube are doing 100% uber/ride share paid rides with zero input/zero mistakes on 12.3

However, even then, something tells me FSD, as impressive as this incarnation is, I can't see Musk getting it to a point it really is 'FSD' as people expect.
 
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Sankari said:
In the past I've defended Musk against accusations that Tesla's autonomous driving feature doesn't work as claimed. I've seen it in action (as a passenger) and it is extremely impressive. However, I am gradually coming round to the view that this is yet another issue he's been kicking down the road for years.


Tesla's own documentation describes it as 'Full Self-Driving Capability', but immediately contradicts this by admitting that's not what it is at all:

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Why governments haven't passed legislation that forces auto makers to accept full liability for testing their hardware/software on public roads is beyond me. Even the Cruise robotaxies which are covered in cameras and tech that were being hailed as so safe just recently just had one of their vehicles run someone over and drag them down the road for 20 feet. Of course they tried to cover it up as their duty isn't to the public and their safety but to their shareholders. Apparently they are looking at a fine, wow that is really going to hurt them :rolleyes: whoever decided to cover it up should be facing jail. That reality would make them act in the publics best interests.
 
This is an aside so please disregard but I have to hand it to Elon Roar87 - the guy is committed to the cause. There's probably a weak argument somewhere that without the devoted you can't build a yard, a church, maybe a cathedral, and a religion. Good on you Roar87. Someone has to be you and you're just the person for it.
 
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a1ex2001 said:
Now that would be awkward, for those that like to defend everything he does! Don’t see it happening but I am surprised Trump is struggling to find the money given how rich he likes to tell everyone he is!
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It's probably not that unusual to not have half a billion in cash laying around, no matter how rich you are. It's unusual to be "that rich" and not have access to collateral though...

I wonder what it is about the corrupt, lying, cheating conman the bond companies have an issue with extending a half a billion credit to?
 
Freakbro said:
It's probably not that unusual to not have half a billion in cash laying around, no matter how rich you are. It's unusual to be "that rich" and not have access to collateral though...

I wonder what it is about the corrupt, lying, cheating conman the bond companies have an issue with extending a half a billion credit to?
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Maybe he should just over value a tower block and offer that up ….
 
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