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The ongoing Elon Twitter saga: "insert demographic" melts down
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I'm not a big fan of Musk, but I suspect it's his Asperger's that makes him come across that way so do feel a bit guilty about that. He's not easy to listen to, extremely blunt and clearly lacking in empathy in certain areas.
Having said that, there are some very strange people here on both sides who defend him to the hilt or have hundreds of posts criticising his every move. Neither is healthy, and I suspect that some people here are also on the spectrum with the behaviour on display.
Having said that, there are some very strange people here on both sides who defend him to the hilt or have hundreds of posts criticising his every move. Neither is healthy, and I suspect that some people here are also on the spectrum with the behaviour on display.
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Why is it always that line for the likes of you and Roar? Because we don't share your point of view we don't have a life. Its an anonymous forum, you like the rest of us have no idea what 99% of people do in their lives.
Coming from a poster whose CT are famous from previous threads. Did any of them ever come to anything at all?
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My understanding of Asperger's isn't that it makes you lie or massively exaggerate what your companies can do and will be doing in the short term. Saying these things to the public at events for those companies where shareholders for say Tesla might buy or sell off the back of what the CEO says should be an issue when its a pubic traded company.
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It isn’t, but could potentially indirectly tie in with one of the most common traits of not understanding other peoples' feelings or perspectives.
However, that’s besides the point as the issue you’ve highlighted is by no means the only thing he’s ever been criticised for on here.
Totally agree with the above @tang0 there is a complete lack of common sense and balance in loads of the posts in this thread, Musk is neither a god or the worst business man in history the reality is much more nuanced than that much like his successes and failures particularly around X. The reality is somewhere in the middle he has clearly been incredibly successful but is like a lot of very successful individuals deeply flawed.
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This is better suited to the space thread but the Super Heavy and Starship platforms are currently in development (same as SLS, New Glenn and a load of others). And it's because of SpaceX's rapid-prototyping approach to R&D that you see a lot of iterations, launches and failures/successes.
SpaceX already have the Falcon 9, and Falcon Heavy, for various orbit launches (they obviously do LEO for Starlink) and ferrying humans to the ISS.
I recommend having a read through the space thread as you will realise SpaceX is actually one of Musk's better businesses even with Elon Time.
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That's the image of Roar I get everytime he posts in this thread!
It's certainly amusing, but no, it's not satire.
Musk in 2011:
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Musk in 2016:
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Musk in 2020:
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Musk in 2021:
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Musk's most significant space-related achievement to date is ferrying crew and cargo to and from the International Space Station, which is in Low Earth Orbit. He has never sent a rocket beyond LEO, never attempted a mission to the moon, and—despite the endless promises—never reached Mars.
Musk loves spectacle, because it generates media attention and free publicity. He adds unnecessary bells and whistles to his cars, while neglecting quality control. He builds giant rockets that variously blow up or fall apart—which is no doubt great fun, and undeniably an entertaining waste of his shareholders' money—but shows no interest in building something practical that could soar past LEO to the moon or Mars.
With Musk, you typically get two things:
* a huge amount of sizzle
* a half cooked sausage
Case in point:
The Dragon series is his one good sausage.
"He has never sent a rocket beyond LEO"
The car isn't even in earth orbit is it its in its own indipendant orbit of the sun, that's definitely outside LEO
It's apparently 0.6AU from earth os a little over half the distance to the sun away
The car cost cutting by going with camera only no lidar and radar like reputable brands is a disgrace though and has already killed motorcycle riders tesla needs taking to task for that.
(A Harry bagger with low dual break lights at night is seen by a tesla as a car 500+m away, tesla ignore vehicles 300m away, so it ran them over on the highway and killed them)
I think he's a **** but the spacex engineers are progressing faster than anyone atm and doing damn good work, despite him.
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I think the criticism of Tesla using a camera instead of lidar is fair enough, but SpaceX isn't doing good work "despite him", he's been personally involved in driving a lot of the success at that company. No one in that industry would say otherwise.
Except the spacex employees
SpaceX employees say they are relieved Elon Musk is focused on Twitter because there is a calmer work environment at the rocket company
Some SpaceX staff say that when Elon Musk is hyper-focused on daily operations, it can create more work for them, per Bloomberg.
www.businessinsider.com
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SpaceX employees draft open letter to company executives denouncing Elon Musk’s behavior
The letter calls on ways for SpaceX to fix its reputation and culture.
www.theverge.com
At SpaceX, worker injuries soar in Elon Musk’s rush to Mars
Reuters documented more than 600 workplace injuries at SpaceX. Employees say they’re paying the price for Elon Musk’s push to reach Mars at breakneck speed.
SpaceX workers who criticized CEO Elon Musk for being a 'distraction and embarrassment' were illegally fired in retaliation, NLRB alleges
Employees circulated an open letter criticizing Musk’s online behavior and calling on the company to denounce and distance itself from his public comments.
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Pfft, what do they know. Roar obviously knows better than those Musk haters.
Hey now he said it was "fair enough" those bikers died so clearly he's unbiased and elons personal design input that "lidar is a crutch" and had it removed is simply an example of elon driving success.
After all no other car since the invention of adaptive cruise control in 1999 has managed to kill somone in these circumstances.
That's pure elon magic baby
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Roar is that person who doesn't own anything that Musk makes, nor has worked for Musk, nor being inside any Musk operations and despite everything he doesn't know, what he does know is that Musk is infallible, his employees must worship the ground he walks on and his products worked 100% as claimed by Musk, are delivered on time and never have reliability problems
Here is a famous quote from Asmongold and it applies so well to Roar and others too: "You cannot reason someone out of a position that they did not reason themselves into".
In other words, a person who did not use facts, evidence and logic to develop their thought process and position on a topic, can never be reasoned with to forgo their position, because they fundamentally don't work with facts or logic, they work with feelings and emotions
Here is a famous quote from Asmongold and it applies so well to Roar and others too: "You cannot reason someone out of a position that they did not reason themselves into".
In other words, a person who did not use facts, evidence and logic to develop their thought process and position on a topic, can never be reasoned with to forgo their position, because they fundamentally don't work with facts or logic, they work with feelings and emotions
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Except the spacex employees
SpaceX employees say they are relieved Elon Musk is focused on Twitter because there is a calmer work environment at the rocket company
Some SpaceX staff say that when Elon Musk is hyper-focused on daily operations, it can create more work for them, per Bloomberg.
This seems to be more like a "I don't like a demanding work environment, my job is easier when he's not around the place". I get it, everyone likes it when their boss is on holiday, but this doesn't disprove me saying he's driven a lot of success at SpaceX. He is no doubt extremely demanding, I likely wouldn't choose that type of work environment, but I've had managers who are very driven and they definitely get things done.
SpaceX employees draft open letter to company executives denouncing Elon Musk’s behavior
The letter calls on ways for SpaceX to fix its reputation and culture.
This just seems like some left wing employees wanted to disassociate themselves with his public messaging, fair enough, again though this doesn't detract from my point.
At SpaceX, worker injuries soar in Elon Musk’s rush to Mars
Reuters documented more than 600 workplace injuries at SpaceX. Employees say they’re paying the price for Elon Musk’s push to reach Mars at breakneck speed.www.reuters.com
So this story was written in 2023, and begins by talking about someone who died in June 2014, fair enough, that's obviously really bad - even if it was 9 years previously. Then it talks about injuries at SpaceX. These need addressing definitely, but does this mean that Elon Musk hasn't been involved in a lot of the success around SpaceX? Well, not really. Maybe he could've done more to make sure it was a safer working environment, arguably as the CEO, but again it doesn't detract from my point.
SpaceX workers who criticized CEO Elon Musk for being a 'distraction and embarrassment' were illegally fired in retaliation, NLRB alleges
Employees circulated an open letter criticizing Musk’s online behavior and calling on the company to denounce and distance itself from his public comments.fortune.com
Again, this isn't really relevant to my point. Some employees wrote a public letter which disparaged their employer and brought it into disrepute. Probably they weren't expecting to be kept on after that.
So basically, none of the above cites any SpaceX employees stating Elon Musk as the CEO and Chief Engineer at SpaceX is bad at his job.
You can listen to this guy speaking about what Elon is like to work for if you enjoy hearing first hand rather than some selective quotes from a news article
There's also this article from the Former Head of Talent Acquisiton at SpaceX
But SpaceX is a success "despite him", I find that just a ridiculous comment actually lol
https://www.quora.com/What-is-it-li...hat-are-his-management-style-and-methods-like
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