The Radeon RX 6900/6950 XT Owners Thread.

LtMatt · 8 Apr 2021 at 13:56

Sarge2255 said:
Can you be more specific.

Do you loose fps with this card when turning on Ray Tracing ? Can you even turn on DLSS?

I think every graphics card loses performance when using Ray Tracing. Small improvements to image quality at a very high performance cost.

DLSS is not supported.

I think you should probably buy a Nvidia graphics card if these things are important to you.

Sarge2255 · 8 Apr 2021 at 14:04

LtMatt said:
I think every graphics card loses performance when using Ray Tracing. Small improvements to image quality at a very high performance cost.

DLSS is not supported.

I think you should probably buy a Nvidia graphics card if these things are important to you.

But look at Cyberpunk. When you turn on DLSS you gain like 25 fps and the game looks better.

If these cards take a significantly larger hit when Ray Tracing is turned on ( like 25fps loss) compared to Nvidia cards, can these cards even be recommended? That's huge fps drops compared to Nvidia.

This is bad to see as a gamer if this is true :eek:

Vince · 8 Apr 2021 at 14:15

LtMatt said:
It really is. Minor image quality improvement for a huge performance cost. Some games even look better with it off.

Until the above changes, it will always be a con in my eyes. Subjective of course, but I see I'm far from the only one with this opinion based off reading the various Cyberpunk thread here.

Like cyberpunk you mean... imo looks awful with RT on.

Sarge2255 said:
But look at Cyberpunk. When you turn on DLSS you gain like 25 fps and the game looks better.

If these cards take a significantly larger hit when Ray Tracing is turned on ( like 25fps loss) compared to Nvidia cards, can these cards even be recommended? That's huge fps drops compared to Nvidia.

This is bad to see as a gamer if this is true

DLSS is nvidia proprietary tech there will be an AMD alternative that should do the same thing... That's not available yet but should have a similar impact. Truth be told RT running native on almost any card is unplayable on the majority of titles on both team red and team green.

LtMatt · 8 Apr 2021 at 14:27

Vince said:
Like cyberpunk you mean... imo looks awful with RT on.

DLSS is nvidia proprietary tech there will be an AMD alternative that should do the same thing... That's not available yet but should have a similar impact. Truth be told RT running native on almost any card is unplayable on the majority of titles on both team red and team green.

Yes, it really does. Every time i look at the Cyberpunk thread and see screenshots showing comparisons, in 90% of cases i come up with the same opinion.

I don't bother sharing that opinion their though as I understand some people love it.

Sarge2255 said:
But look at Cyberpunk. When you turn on DLSS you gain like 25 fps and the game looks better.

If these cards take a significantly larger hit when Ray Tracing is turned on ( like 25fps loss) compared to Nvidia cards, can these cards even be recommended? That's huge fps drops compared to Nvidia.

This is bad to see as a gamer if this is true

It's subjective, RT so far often looks worse with it enabled. Especially in Cyberpunk. It's like adding unrealistic reflections every where, or playing a game of mirrors.

For now, i just turn RT off because it's not worth the performance cost. I can run with it enabled in many games without a huge performance cost, Godfall, Wow, both of the new COD games, Dirt 5, etc but it's just not worth it IMO.

Sarge2255 · 8 Apr 2021 at 14:29

Vince said:
Like cyberpunk you mean... imo looks awful with RT on.

DLSS is nvidia proprietary tech there will be an AMD alternative that should do the same thing... That's not available yet but should have a similar impact. Truth be told RT running native on almost any card is unplayable on the majority of titles on both team red and team green.

That's good that you wish AMD will make an alternative, even though not a single game has this alternative. This is a big no no from me.

I disagree , 3 series cards run Ray Tracing just fine. I play in 4k max settings Red Dead Redemption 2, Cyberpunk2077 , .....with Ray Tracing on ultra and DLSS on and get above 60fps. DLSS gives you far more fps ( I get 25fps more with DLSS in Cyberpunk2077 ) and even looks just as good or better as without, just a real put off with these AMD cards.

AMD knew about this and did nothing! This plain looks as if AMD is the inferior product and they cost the same?

AMD gotta drop price to reflect this, as I won't buy and in this gpu climate that's never gonna happen.

Harlequin · 8 Apr 2021 at 14:39

Sarge2255 said:
That's good that you wish AMD will make an alternative, even though not a single game has this alternative. This is a big no no from me.

I disagree , 3 series cards run Ray Tracing just fine. I play in 4k max settings Red Dead Redemption 2, Cyberpunk2077 , .....with Ray Tracing on ultra and DLSS on and get above 60fps. DLSS gives you far more fps ( I get 25fps more with DLSS in Cyberpunk2077 ) and even looks just as good or better as without, just a real put off with these AMD cards.

AMD knew about this and did nothing! This plain looks as if AMD is the inferior product and they cost the same?

AMD gotta drop price to reflect this, as I won't buy and in this gpu climate that's never gonna happen.

Thats because DLSS is rubbish compared to native resolution - you do know it downscales to 1080p then upscales the picture? and DXR is used in a handful of games, DXR Shadows are pointless, Control is meh as a game, CP2077 is still broken AND DXR is being turned down by the devs. DXR still isnt ready for mainstream - AMD were right, rasterization is where its at for another gen or 2.

Sarge2255 · 8 Apr 2021 at 15:38

Harlequin said:
Thats because DLSS is rubbish compared to native resolution - you do know it downscales to 1080p then upscales the picture? and DXR is used in a handful of games, DXR Shadows are pointless, Control is meh as a game, CP2077 is still broken AND DXR is being turned down by the devs. DXR still isnt ready for mainstream - AMD were right, rasterization is where its at for another gen or 2.

Which AAA game uses DXR?

I agree that DLSS was not great in Anthem, I turned it off. But it has improved a lot, and in Cyberpunk 2077 I can't play with it off as it has improved 10 fold, it was that good !

Harlequin · 8 Apr 2021 at 15:50

Sarge2255 said:
Which AAA game uses DXR?

I agree that DLSS was not great in Anthem, I turned it off. But it has improved a lot, and in Cyberpunk 2077 I can't play with it off as it has improved 10 fold, it was that good !

erm DXR - Direct X RayTracing - RTX is nvidias marketing name for it.

Sarge2255 · 8 Apr 2021 at 16:42

Harlequin said:
erm DXR - Direct X RayTracing - RTX is nvidias marketing name for it.

Oh OK! Nvidia and AMD should share these features so that both cards have them. Better for gamers.

Kaapstad · 8 Apr 2021 at 18:27

Drangueos said:
They really lost the opportunity to remove the red bits

It would have been better if they had made the Red bit in a range of interchangeable colours.

Vince · 8 Apr 2021 at 19:15

Sarge2255 said:
That's good that you wish AMD will make an alternative, even though not a single game has this alternative. This is a big no no from me.

I disagree , 3 series cards run Ray Tracing just fine. I play in 4k max settings Red Dead Redemption 2, Cyberpunk2077 , .....with Ray Tracing on ultra and DLSS on and get above 60fps. DLSS gives you far more fps ( I get 25fps more with DLSS in Cyberpunk2077 ) and even looks just as good or better as without, just a real put off with these AMD cards.

AMD knew about this and did nothing! This plain looks as if AMD is the inferior product and they cost the same?

AMD gotta drop price to reflect this, as I won't buy and in this gpu climate that's never gonna happen.

Its not a wish they have openly said they are making an alternative even given its name. Either way id rather play native than turn any scaling features on. DLSS may be great but whatever way you slice it, its a technology designed to mask the fact the the hardware isn't up to properly doing the job. In the same way you suggest that the AMD card isn't up to the job.

The end of the day the 6000 series pack some very good raster power for traditional rendering, decent enough RT to have a look and imo a better more modern software stack.

DXR is also a shared feature for both NV and AMD as it is part of Microsofts Direct X api.

CuriousTomCat · 8 Apr 2021 at 19:25

AMD's first attempt at raytracing is far better than Nvidia's 1st gen surely? Nvidia worked on it for a while decade as well.

Sarge2255 · 8 Apr 2021 at 22:58

CuriousTomCat said:
AMD's first attempt at raytracing is far better than Nvidia's 1st gen surely? Nvidia worked on it for a while decade as well.

How are you playing Cyberpunk2077 ? Without DLSS it runs like crap like 45fps?

I'm getting 89 to 119fps with DLS and some Ray Tracing on at 4k 120Hz with a 3 series card.

Harlequin · 8 Apr 2021 at 22:59

Sarge2255 said:
How are you playing Cyberpunk2077 as without DLSS it runs like crap?

Are you playing CP2077 as its crap.

Sarge2255 · 8 Apr 2021 at 23:22

Harlequin said:
Are you playing CP2077 as its crap.

Sometimes, it's not a great game but to experience the 4k ,120hz, Ray tracing and DLSS for the minute.

heartburnron · 9 Apr 2021 at 00:44

I thought Cyberpunk was a great game. I had an awesome gaming experience with it and my 6900 XT. Max settings at 3440x1440 ran around 75 FPS. No need for ray tracing, the game looks stunning without it. I would also advise those interested, to ignore the hate for the game, it's not broken running on my AMD system, the occasional floating coffee cup aside. I thoroughly enjoyed my 100+ hours with it.

Sarge2255 · 9 Apr 2021 at 03:49

https://youtu.be/u1T41Xm-y0g

Even reviewers don't recommend the 6900XT card.

Sarge2255 · 9 Apr 2021 at 04:10

heartburnron said:
I thought Cyberpunk was a great game. I had an awesome gaming experience with it and my 6900 XT. Max settings at 3440x1440 ran around 75 FPS. No need for ray tracing, the game looks stunning without it. I would also advise those interested, to ignore the hate for the game, it's not broken running on my AMD system, the occasional floating coffee cup aside. I thoroughly enjoyed my 100+ hours with it.

From what I can see, reviewers are running Cyberpunk2077 with Ryzen 5900X, 32 GB DDR4 3600 ( all top quality cpu and ram) at only 1080p with Ray Tracing and getting 45fps.

4k with the 6900XT would likely run at 10fps with Ray Tracing on and DLSS off. AMD need to step up fast for next gen cards!

https://youtu.be/40fhCeowsfk

Sarge2255 · 9 Apr 2021 at 04:20

Even the RTX 3070 is beating the 6900XT with Ray Tracing / DLSS on. And the card cost like twice the price of the 3070.

https://youtu.be/sxcX8eUZ-H8

Kaapstad · 9 Apr 2021 at 05:44

Sarge2255 said:
https://youtu.be/u1T41Xm-y0g

Even reviewers don't recommend the 6900XT card.

Sarge2255 said:
From what I can see, reviewers are running Cyberpunk2077 with Ryzen 5900X, 32 GB DDR4 3600 ( all top quality cpu and ram) at only 1080p with Ray Tracing and getting 45fps.

4k with the 6900XT would likely run at 10fps with Ray Tracing on and DLSS off. AMD need to step up fast for next gen cards!

https://youtu.be/40fhCeowsfk

Sarge2255 said:
Even the RTX 3070 is beating the 6900XT with Ray Tracing / DLSS on. And the card cost like twice the price of the 3070.

https://youtu.be/sxcX8eUZ-H8

I think you should open your own thread for this sort of debate.

This is an owners thread and not really the correct place for the above.

Thanks.