The Rangers Saga and Fallout Thread

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Derek W said:
very serious :)

Chelsea appear there cos of their sugar daddy buying the title, which man city will do this year so that narrows the english league down to a 3 horse race but as mentioned blackburn aren't that great just now with their one title so that just has it between two teams, arsenal and man u.

Fair enough theres always the likes of liverpool as part of the 'top 4' but they haven't made any appearance in that list.

The same with the scottish league, you'll have the likes of Hearts and Dundee Utd pressuring but eventually they'll fall away in the second half of the season and youre left with the same two teams at the top. Same with Spain, will it be real madrid or barcelona, in italy, both milans and Juventus. The top leagues in the world generally will have two - four teams who can realistically win the title. Its all quite predictable ;)
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There hasn't been another winner of the scottish premier league (or first division at the time) in near 30 years, the last time was Aberdeen in 1984\85 season. The English premier league can be somewhat predictable but not even close to the same scale as the SPL.
 
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Derek W said:
did it really? Hold on then, I'll have a look into who won the scottish leagues in the years previously and see if anyone else has ever won the title outwith Rangers or Celtic :rolleyes:
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What?! :D You pointed out the dominance of United in the PL... if we look at the SPL then it's literally a two horse race. Obviously before the split and creation of the SPL other teams won Scotland's first division, the same as in England.
 
Azza said:
What?! :D You pointed out the dominance of United in the PL... if we look at the SPL then it's literally a two horse race. Obviously before the split and creation of the SPL other teams won Scotland's first division, the same as in England.
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so you're agreeing then, the dominance of two or three teams in the epl is no different to the dominance of the old firm in the spl ;)
 
With no real champions league money any more it was bound to happen. Id watch most football on TV but even for me Scottish football it pretty boring to watch.
 
nydryl said:
Good luck to them. I wouldn't wish administration on the fans of any club, not even either of the Old Firm.
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Cheers mate.

Basically we aren't in Administration as of yet, however the process is obviously under way to enter it.

The HMRC case has been a long time coming the conclusion and the Chairman released a statement making a few points on the reasoning behind the decision, mainly being the decision of HMRC to appeal regardless of the outcome.

This is essentially a last throw of the dice to achieve some sort of deal with Tax Man to allow the club to continue without entering administration. It will be an interesting 10 days for sure to see how things turn out.

Sadly all this has been overhanging from the previous regime in David Murray with todays chairman Craig Whyte taking all the flak as if it was his fault in the first place.

Sometimes in business difficult decisions need to be made for the greater good in the long term.

Scottish Football will enter into a period of uncertainty also, Sky have a clause to rip up the TV Deal if Rangers and Celtic don't play each other 4 times a season so to be honest anyone in the league who revels in todays announcement should be worried about a main source of income for the club.

Worried as any fan could be but we need to see how it pans out, hopefully for the better :)
 
Derek W said:
I always like seeing that logic....

1992–93 Manchester United
1993–94 Manchester United
1994–95 Blackburn Rovers
1995–96 Manchester United
1996–97 Manchester United
1997–98 Arsenal
1998–99 Manchester United
1999–2000 Manchester United
2000–01 Manchester United
2001–02 Arsenal
2002–03 Manchester United
2003–04 Arsenal
2004–05 Chelsea
2005–06 Chelsea
2006–07 Manchester United
2007–08 Manchester United
2008–09 Manchester United
2009–10 Chelsea
2010–11 Manchester United

The top English league is almost as exciting ;)

Hearts will be next though.
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Points between first and third place in the SPL:

1992-93 ---- 13 (Celtic third)
1993-94 ---- 4 (Celtic fourth)
1994-95 ---- 16 (Celtic fourth)
1995-96 ---- 32 (Goodbye, competitiveness!)
1996-97 ---- 20
1997-98 ---- 7
1998-99 ---- 20
1999-2000 -- 36
2000-01 ---- 31
2001-02 ---- 45 (lol)
2002-03 ---- 34
2003-04 ---- 30
2004-05 ---- 32
2005-06 ---- 18 (Rangers third)
2006-07 ---- 29
2007-08 ---- 29
2008-09 ---- 27
2009-10 ---- 24
2010-11 ---- 30

*You know how far down the Premiership table 45 points would have taken you in 2001-02? 15th.
 
Derek W said:
very serious :)

Chelsea appear there cos of their sugar daddy buying the title, which man city will do this year so that narrows the english league down to a 3 horse race but as mentioned blackburn aren't that great just now with their one title so that just has it between two teams, arsenal and man u.

Fair enough theres always the likes of liverpool as part of the 'top 4' but they haven't made any appearance in that list.

The same with the scottish league, you'll have the likes of Hearts and Dundee Utd pressuring but eventually they'll fall away in the second half of the season and youre left with the same two teams at the top. Same with Spain, will it be real madrid or barcelona, in italy, both milans and Juventus. The top leagues in the world generally will have two - four teams who can realistically win the title. Its all quite predictable ;)
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You also forget the 3-5 seasons Newcastle were serious contendors and almost pipped up. The couple of years Villa nearly got there. The couple of years Leeds nearly won it.

A more interesting post would be comparing the winning margin from top of the EPL to second and the margin seperating Rangers/Celtic from the rest every season. It's a much more competitve league albiet ManU have done very well but you could easily have 3-4 more teams as championship winners. Beyond Rangers and Celtic has there ever been anyone even remotely close? (possibly Hearts when they had that initial investment?)

edit: Didn't notice the points thing someone had already done :p
 
The problem with the Scottish League imo is the size of it... I cant see why a 16 team top flight with 30 games wouldnt work. It would even things out more as Celtic/Rangers dont have the chance to snag 3/4 wins off the same team each time. It would make their away game more tasty and put more pressure on the home game against the smaller sides.

OK cash wise it dosent help the attendances... but sometimes a change will bring in more fans, maybe Hearts or Aberdeen are fighting for the title and they add an extra 2-3k on the gate.

Scotland could have 2 tiers of 16 teams, then the others in a feeder league... keep a League Cup in which you could force the SPL teams to play away in the first round to ensure a gatefor the smaller sides.. plus the FA Cup and add a Super Cup or somethign as well as a season opener.
 
mehuk said:
The problem with the Scottish League imo is the size of it... I cant see why a 16 team top flight with 30 games wouldnt work..
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To keep it in simple terms the TV Companies aren't interested.

For any Sky Deal to work they need Rangers and Celtic playing 4 times a season, there is a clause to rip up the TV deal should this not happen.
 
mehuk said:
The problem with the Scottish League imo is the size of it... I cant see why a 16 team top flight with 30 games wouldnt work. It would even things out more as Celtic/Rangers dont have the chance to snag 3/4 wins off the same team each time. It would make their away game more tasty and put more pressure on the home game against the smaller sides.
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The SPL isn't called the Self Preservation League for nothing you know ;)

Governed by the same body who didn't relegate Aberdeen since the team in the first division didn't have a 10,000 seater stadium and undersoil heating, criteria for getting into the SPL at one point. Look what happened to the teams that did do that. Clydebank oops sorry Airdrie - financially screwed and in the same division as my team, and Meadowbank Thistle oops wrong again Livingston financially screwed, relegated to the third division, now in the first after back to back promotions, still spending beyond their means and potentially moving again :rolleyes:

There was talk of them even reducing the number of teams down to 10!
 
I am still in shock over this. Deeply in shock.

I read all there is to read on the matter and knew it was coming.

Tax man aside it seems that my club was living beyond it's means for the last 12 years.

Whyte had no choice and I while I can understand why fans are berating him what were the options?

Had he not taken over then Rangers would have been thrown into administration last season instead. He's tried his best, we'll see what happens. I certainly have questions but will not condemn the man as he took on an impossible task and never said he was a sugar daddy. Mc Coist has to take some blame as well losing in the CL League cup and Scottish cup which was reaslistically (unless Lennon screws it up) our only chance at silverware.

Such a shame the old board didn't see better solutions in the 4 years leading up to the take over. I'm sure had the fans a full and frank knowledge of what was happening a better bid could have been placed. Heck i'd have happily chipped in 1K to keep them alive.

Seems like it's too late now.
 
I think it will go something like this

Rangers fold as they are and are reborn much like AFC wimbledon
A year or 2 later Celtic fold as they are and do a Rangers ^
A more competitive Scottish league is born with better run clubs, then when it is more competative the TV money will come back.
 
DiCe! said:
I think it will go something like this

Rangers fold as they are and are reborn much like AFC wimbledon
A year or 2 later Celtic fold as they are and do a Rangers ^
A more competitive Scottish league is born with better run clubs, then when it is more competative the TV money will come back.
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why would Celtic fold?
 
Why not, if theres no old firm then sky could pull out and try to get a better deal for them. How would the scotish clubs do with a reduction in tv money?
 
Why do people believe that Scotland should have strong clubs? Rangers and Celtic have a large following for all the wrong reasons. The football is dire, the money/interest isn't there and there is little in the way of home grown talent to fill the void. As we have seen in the last few years both clubs are finding their level in a new Europe which has move well beyond what Rangers and Celtic offer.
 
elmuzzy66. said:
Why not, if theres no old firm then sky could pull out and try to get a better deal for them. How would the scotish clubs do with a reduction in tv money?
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Celtic would simply stop buying in expensive players, reduce wages if possible by re-negotiating contracts, etc.

they still have the biggest club stadium in Scotland which pulls in a lot of money, they will also receive money for winning the title, etc.

i think they would be fine.
 
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