The Rangers Saga and Fallout Thread

Metalface Mark · 7 Jun 2012 at 17:24

McMav said:
However as it was on top of a 100000k fine, the maximum they could award it wouldn't have been that lenient. If it's lenient then it shouldn't be an option for bringing the game into disrepute.

Yes it would.

You dont not pay millions of pounds in tax and get a 100k punishment, thats ridiculous!

Metalface Mark · 7 Jun 2012 at 17:25

steve1873 said:
How many times has it been pointed out to you, the other clubs you refer to were not banned from the cup. They played in a cup tie with ineligible players and in doing so had the scoreline in previous tie overturned eliminating them from the cup.

1 is a ban, the other is being knocked out of the cup after the fact. They are not the same punishment.

They are the same punishment.

McMav · 7 Jun 2012 at 17:31

Metalface Mark said:
Yes it would.

You dont not pay millions of pounds in tax and get a 100k punishment, thats ridiculous!

You are in administration and have no money a 100k fine is ridiculous. But at least the 100k fine was an option to use eh?

McMav · 7 Jun 2012 at 17:33

Metalface Mark said:
They are the same punishment.

No they are not. they were in the competition used an illegal player and the score was reversed and they were eliminated. A cup ban means we can't even enter the competition. I'm not sure if you are fishing or really are that blinkered by hatred.

Jokester · 7 Jun 2012 at 17:34

It's a worthless option if they don't get a penny of it though.

steve1873 · 7 Jun 2012 at 17:36

Metalface Mark said:
They are the same punishment.

They are REALLY REALLY not.

steve1873 · 7 Jun 2012 at 17:38

Jokester said:
It's a worthless option if they don't get a penny of it though.

The SFA will get every penny of any fine issued to Rangers. They will simply withhold the sum from any future payment to the club.

Jokester · 7 Jun 2012 at 17:47

steve1873 said:
The SFA will get every penny of any fine issued to Rangers. They will simply withhold the sum from any future payment to the club.

I'm not entirely sure they can do that with the club being in Administration, they would have to join the list of creditors.

McMav · 7 Jun 2012 at 18:06

Jokester said:
I'm not entirely sure they can do that with the club being in Administration, they would have to join the list of creditors.

Dundee utd were paid from money we were due to receive.

Jokester · 7 Jun 2012 at 18:08

McMav said:
Dundee utd were paid from money we were due to receive.

Really? I would be very surprised if that was legal, especially given that the Football Creditors Rule isn't law in Scotland.

Edit: I know Hearts have outstanding fees from Rangers - why didn't they receive any payment given that Rangers received their payment for finishing 2nd?

spudbynight · 7 Jun 2012 at 18:29

Something is confusing me about this arrangement at present.

If the administrators want to go down the newco route can they transfer the assets without the approval of the creditors?

steve1873 · 7 Jun 2012 at 18:29

Jokester said:
Really? I would be very surprised if that was legal, especially given that the Football Creditors Rule isn't law in Scotland.

Edit: I know Hearts have outstanding fees from Rangers - why didn't they receive any payment given that Rangers received their payment for finishing 2nd?

Hearts are not due any further monies from Rangers until July 1st.

The football creditors rule does not come into it.

Jokester · 7 Jun 2012 at 18:35

steve1873 said:
Hearts are not due any further monies from Rangers until July 1st.

The football creditors rule does not come into it.

Yeah I know, I've already said the FCR doesn't come into it. It would be in breach of Insolvency Law. It's not the SFAs place to protect some creditors at the expense of others.

lordfletch · 7 Jun 2012 at 18:37

Jokester said:
Really? I would be very surprised if that was legal, especially given that the Football Creditors Rule isn't law in Scotland.

Edit: I know Hearts have outstanding fees from Rangers - why didn't they receive any payment given that Rangers received their payment for finishing 2nd?

the money hearts are owed isnt due yet.

steve1873 · 7 Jun 2012 at 18:39

Jokester said:
Yeah I know, I've already said the FCR doesn't come into it. It would be in breach of Insolvency Law. It's not the SFAs place to protect some creditors at the expense of others.

That is an issue between the SFA and Dundee United.

Metalface Mark · 7 Jun 2012 at 18:41

Jokester said:
Really? I would be very surprised if that was legal, especially given that the Football Creditors Rule isn't law in Scotland.

Edit: I know Hearts have outstanding fees from Rangers - why didn't they receive any payment given that Rangers received their payment for finishing 2nd?

I think the Utd late fee was after the administrators took over and therefore was in the regular running costs of the club which they paid.

The SFA will deduct any monies owing from Scottish football clubs and distribute it if there is enough to go around. Its the foreign clubs that are going to be hung out to dry.

I simply cant believe any right minded Rangers fan thinks a scottish cup ban for one year is an adequate punishment given the fraud that has been committed, had Sandaza agreed to come to Rangers, they bought him knowing full well they couldnt afford to pay for him.

Jokester · 7 Jun 2012 at 18:41

steve1873 said:
That is an issue between the SFA and Dundee United.

I know

lordfletch · 7 Jun 2012 at 18:46

Metalface Mark said:
Suspension from the cup was never deemed to harsh a punishment.

yes it was, read the sfa qc's statment in the cos.

Metalface Mark · 7 Jun 2012 at 18:47

lordfletch said:
yes it was, read the sfa qc's statment in the cos.

Copy to the one you read because the one I posted earlier made no mention of the cup ban being deemed too harsh.

steve1873 · 7 Jun 2012 at 18:54

Metalface Mark said:
I think the Utd late fee was after the administrators took over and therefore was in the regular running costs of the club which they paid.

The SFA will deduct any monies owing from Scottish football clubs and distribute it if there is enough to go around. Its the foreign clubs that are going to be hung out to dry.

I simply cant believe any right minded Rangers fan thinks a scottish cup ban for one year is an adequate punishment given the fraud that has been committed, had Sandaza agreed to come to Rangers, they bought him knowing full well they couldnt afford to pay for him.

If you have any evidence you should contact Strathclyde police.