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The Raytracing thread

Well the monitor industry is that bad. I have been looking to upgrade my 8+ year old monitor for years now and still haven't found anything worth while to upgrade to. Everything out today is worse in one area or another.

Plus not all games benefit from higher FPS and it will be interesting to see what type of use RT gets from indi devs.
I'm running an 8 year old 1080p 60fps monitor hence my knowledge of this rofl :D
 
Really good watch for anyone interested in realtime raytracing, thanks!
And points out the physics / gameplay potential aswell.
Agreed. Watched it just now with a less tired brain and very interesting and some solid info. Interesting that using denoising can be done with as little as 2 or 4 passes if used correctly, which should in turn result in less of a performance hit etc.
 
I spent ages looking for a monitor and ended up going for a curved ultrawide, 1080 160hz VA panel a couple of years back. I tried the other popular gaming ones at the time and either the image quality wasn't good or there was some other issue with it (originally bought a ROG Swift but it was just awful).
Slightly off topic; at the moment I am playing on Monster Hunter World back and forth between my Acer XR341CK 3440x1440 75Hz IPS monitor and my 4K Samsung KS8000. I mean the Acer look quite good already, but the Samsung just look so much better in terms of colour and image pops out much more. Not sure if it is because it uses VA panel instead or the Quantum Dot tech. Don't think the 4K vs 2.5K is the issue here as the ppi is actually lower on the TV comparing to the monitor.

I mean Ray-tracing surely would be a nice addition for gaming graphic once the performance and price become reasonable, but I just can't help but wonder rather than jumping on Ray-tracing at this premature stage, may be people should really have a hard look at investing on a very good display first at least?
 
Hmm, interesting stuff this PowerVR Ray Tracing. Original page is gone so had to go for a google cache. Company has since been bought by a firm called Canyon Bridge but who they have ties to in the industry is difficult to find out. I just find it curious that Jensen said touring and all those rtx features have been 10 years in the making yet this company is able to do the same basic stuff on a cheap not worth mentioning GPU and before nvidia, well we of course don't know if nvidia has been sitting on their rtx tech for the last 5 years not wanting to show it off, but i doubt it. I think there is a youtube demo of this also floating around somewhere.
 
Slightly off topic; at the moment I am playing on Monster Hunter World back and forth between my Acer XR341CK 3440x1440 75Hz IPS monitor and my 4K Samsung KS8000. I mean the Acer look quite good already, but the Samsung just look so much better in terms of colour and image pops out much more. Not sure if it is because it uses VA panel instead or the Quantum Dot tech. Don't think the 4K vs 2.5K is the issue here as the ppi is actually lower on the TV comparing to the monitor.

I mean Ray-tracing surely would be a nice addition for gaming graphic once the performance and price become reasonable, but I just can't help but wonder rather than jumping on Ray-tracing at this premature stage, may be people should really have a hard look at investing on a very good display first at least?

but if you listen to the monitor tech purists, IPS is better than VA for colours
 
but if you listen to the monitor tech purists, IPS is better than VA for colours

VA is definitely better for dark colours as there is no backlight glow, blacks are solid black. So you don't get that "faded" look in games with a lot of dark areas.

As for everything else, they are pretty close really. You'd need to have them side by side to spot any differences. Both look far better than TN.
 
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VA is definitely better for dark colours as there is no backlight glow, blacks are solid black. So you don't get that "faded" look in games with a lot of dark areas.

As for everything else, they are pretty close really. You'd need to have them side by side to spot any differences. Both look far better than TN.

Lol, i posted because everyone always tells me my TN is rubbish, but having had it side by side with IPS I prefer it for my uses and the colours were not noticeably better on either but blacks much better on TN due to lack of backlight bleed and IPS glow
 
Once you've used OLED, you'd realise how wrong this statement was.
Yea but OLED on monitor is not even a thing except for the Sony one I think from years ago that priced at like £20~30K or something?

Also while I do love OLED as much as the next guy, they still have a price premium and is not bright enough to hit those high HDR target range. MicroLED is most likely going to be the best of both worlds, but no doubt the first wave of the display it is going to be very expensive.
 
Lol, i posted because everyone always tells me my TN is rubbish, but having had it side by side with IPS I prefer it for my uses and the colours were not noticeably better on either but blacks much better on TN due to lack of backlight bleed and IPS glow

Well, like everything else there will be good TN panels and poor TN panels, good IPS panels and poor IPS panels.

A good, top end TN panel will most likely be better than a poor IPS one.
 
Hmm, interesting stuff this PowerVR Ray Tracing. Original page is gone so had to go for a google cache. Company has since been bought by a firm called Canyon Bridge but who they have ties to in the industry is difficult to find out. I just find it curious that Jensen said touring and all those rtx features have been 10 years in the making yet this company is able to do the same basic stuff on a cheap not worth mentioning GPU and before nvidia, well we of course don't know if nvidia has been sitting on their rtx tech for the last 5 years not wanting to show it off, but i doubt it. I think there is a youtube demo of this also floating around somewhere.
PowerVR also did some good articles that explained and showed an increase in FPS when using RT for certain effects. There is no reason why NVidia RT cannot benefit in the same way.
 
Lol, i posted because everyone always tells me my TN is rubbish, but having had it side by side with IPS I prefer it for my uses and the colours were not noticeably better on either but blacks much better on TN due to lack of backlight bleed and IPS glow
Having seen a high quality IPS compared to a high quality TN I wouldn't go near TN ever again. There is no way a TN can come close to a decent IPS in colours, you must have had a poor IPS screen.
 
Lol, i posted because everyone always tells me my TN is rubbish, but having had it side by side with IPS I prefer it for my uses and the colours were not noticeably better on either but blacks much better on TN due to lack of backlight bleed and IPS glow

Some of the TNs are quite good but the overall image quality just isn't there. They do also have backlight glow like IPS, so darker colours still can't match VA.

TNs have quite bad gamma shifting on sizes above 24" as well. Which is very noticable.

Once you've used OLED, you'd realise how wrong this statement was.

Used OLED in my Oculus Rift :p Problem is full sized OLED screens are super expensive and aren't anywhere near mainstream yet.
 
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Having seen a high quality IPS compared to a high quality TN I wouldn't go near TN ever again. There is no way a TN can come close to a decent IPS in colours, you must have had a poor IPS screen.

Test data disagrees but this isn't the place for this and its been done to death anyway, so best we end it here.
 
Looks like BF5 has been delayed by a month, wonder if it has anything at all to do with our new rendering pipeline friend.
Probably has more to do with their lack of preorders and RDR2 releasing the week after their planned date and COD releasing a couple of weeks before. They need to choose the right time to hit the marketing as trying to compete with rockstar is a waste of time.
 
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