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Why not? If she was 'chosen' I'd really have expected them to pick a nice posh white British girl from the gentry of the UK rather than a mixed race Canadian?

Harry had the pick whoever he wanted.
If I had leverage over him, and I was a servant of the EU, then there could not have been a more perfect choice than Meghan.
 
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I haven't read the thread, so apologies if this has been mentioned, but it's quite reasonable to expect that Meghan was chosen for Harry rather than him choosing her himself.
I'd imagine that there is some video held by MI5 of Harry snorting coke off a dog's willy, or something devastating like that, which allowed them to leverage him into making a choice which would weaken the monarchy.
No way did he choose her of his own free will.

Harry is quite some way down the line despite being a popular choice for monarch public opinion wise - in terms of weakening the monarchy it won't have that big an impact on its own IMO and if someone did set it up they did a fairly good job on the backstory as despite the fairly sudden meeting of the two Harry has a progressive history in the relevant social circles going back some years that builds upto the two meeting.

If anything I'd say it was more likely the other way and an attempt at a PR job to make the Royal family seem a little more appealing in the modern age by making Harry someone the everyday person can connect to a little more while still maintaining all the rest of it.
 
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Student Loans are taken in to consideration for mortgages, it is seen as a monthly outgoing they consider it in relation to whether or not you can afford the repayments.

I can see what you are saying about it being treat as a tax, but it certainly is considered in some cases.

It's then treated as an outgoing expense?
I take your views on board and can agree that in that situation it would have an impact.
 
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Harry is quite some way down the line despite being a popular choice for monarch public opinion wise - in terms of weakening the monarchy it won't have that big an impact on its own IMO and if someone did set it up they did a fairly good job on the backstory as despite the fairly sudden meeting of the two Harry has a progressive history in the relevant social circles going back some years that builds upto the two meeting.

If anything I'd say it was more likely the other way and an attempt at a PR job to make the Royal family seem a little more appealing in the modern age by making Harry someone the everyday person can connect to a little more while still maintaining all the rest of it.
Meghan doesn't have to destroy the monarchy on her own.
She just has to do enough damage so that X% more people are swayed towards a republic.
The nation state must be broken, and she was slipped in there to do her bit. Death by many cuts.
 
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You're still doing it. Maybe you're a believer, despite how wildly implausible it is, but you're still just blaming peasants for being peasants. Including me, obviously. So you're being a lot harder on me than I am, since you're claiming that there is no reason for me not to be rich because you're claiming there's no reason for anyone to not be rich. You must think that I am monumentally lazy and stupid. Fortunately, that doesn't bother me because I think you're just fooling yourself for ideological purposes and thus your opinion on the matter is too unrealistic to care about.

Are you even aware that the great majority of people are not rich? If so, how do you reconcile that with your stated belief that there is no reason for anyone to not be rich?

The truth is my dear Angilion is that you have been brainwashed into thinking you are a peasant (whatever that is). I started off with £0.50p in my back pocket 2 years ago, had no house, or car. I used this to list something for a friend on eBay and still had 15p to spare, he gave me commission after it sold. I sold a few more things for friends and after lots of job rejections, I got a lowly paid job. In under 2 years, I am now worth £500k. I am not a clever man, just a hard worker. I am on target to hit £1 million+ in 3yr-4yrs, possibly less. Am I one of the lucky ones, not really, my friends have done the same. So if you are still looking up to the royals, I’m afraid you only have yourself to blame.

The below are my friends for reference - are they all completely stupid?

Friend 1: Qualified as a gas engineer - did 7-10 services a day at £40 each 7 days a week
2 Years later: Has 9 houses

Friend 2: Took a 1.5k loan from a friend to buy a dog walking business, walks 7-10 dogs a day at £10 per hour making £400-500/day 7 days a week
2 years later: Bought grade II house with 1 acre land and owns a peregrin falcon with staff walking the dogs

Friend 3: Qualified in IT, did contracting £150-300/hour for the government/tech companies
2 years later: Just bought a house for 700k

Friend 4: Qualified as a trainee solicitor and went into land securities
2 years later: Bought a house for 1 million in an area with private security

Friend 5: Qualified as a lawyer, had a job for 6 months. Took a loan from a bank and bought a dilapidated dental practice. Now hires his own dentists
2 years later: Has 3 dental practices and drives a range rover with 12-15k income per month

Friend 6: Practice Manager - bought a bankrupt nursing home with her husband with a business mortgage.
2 years later: Turning over 450k

Friend 7: Nursery assistant - started her own nursery.
2 Years later: Has two sites turning over 250k

Friend 8: Qualified as a social worker - worked for a company for 8 months, started own foster care service
2 Years later: turning over 250k

Friend 9: Just started work as a locum 5-7 days a week
2 years later: has 5 student flats

Friend 10: Qualified in law, no job, started accident claim firm
2 years later: Turns over 500k

Friend 11: Business he was employed in selling cables went bankrupt, he asked if he could buy the cable machine with a loan from his father. Marketed himself to local companies and organisations
2 years later: Turns over 200k

Friend 12: Took a loan from a bank to buy run-down warehouse, partitioned it and turned into offices
2 years later: makes 30k a month

Friend 13: Setup an English language school for international foreign students in a rented office
2 years later: makes 10k a month

Friend 14: Hand to mouth clothing worker made redundant by bankrupt business, asked if he could rent a small section of the warehouse with his meagre £500 life savings, worked 6 days to make his own clothes and sold to local businesses on day 7
2 years later: makes 100k a year

Friend 15: Started collecting scrap metal
2 years later: makes £1,000,000 a year

Friend 16: Qualified as a joiner - started work as an kitchen fitter for a company at £200-400 day depending on the hours worked 7 days a week
2 years later: bought cheap land on a hill, and built an 11 bedroom house (fitted kitchen himself)

Friend 17: Started selling on demand car paint after buying a 50% share in a business by selling his own car and remortgage help from his mother.
2 years later: Makes 7k a month

I have no more friends

The Trick: Most of the above have low paid working husbands/wifes who use their part-time/full-time salary to run the house to keep the bills off the partners backs whilst they create their businesses. Even my wife can make £140/day babysitting two children but she only works to the 12k tax free allowance.

It is not hard my dear Angilion. Even posters here sometime make 100k+ tax free/year from match betting.

I may not make billions like the Royals, but if I had a daughter, I would not say no for her to join this elite group like Meghan and Kate.
 
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The truth is my dear Angilion is that you have been brainwashed into thinking you are a peasant (whatever that is). I started off with £0.50p in my back pocket 2 years ago, had no house, or car. I used this to list something for a friend on eBay and still had 15p spare, he gave me commission after it sold. I sold a few more things for friends and after lots of job rejections, I got a lowly paid job. In under 2 years, I am now worth £500k. I am not a clever man, just a hard worker. I am on target to hit £1 million+ in 3yr-4yrs, possibly less. Am I one of the lucky ones, not really, my friends have done the same. So if you are still looking up to the royals, I’m afraid you only have yourself to blame.

You are the person looking down on anyone who isn't rich and blaming them for not being rich. You're assuming I do the same. You are wrong about that. You see yourself as superior and are hugely condescending to those you see as being so stupid and lazy that they're not rich. That's inevitable given your hilariously unrealistic view of wealth - since you believe that anyone and everyone can become rich so easily that there's no reason for anyone to not be rich, you must believe that anyone who isn't rich is extremely lazy and stupid. You're wrong about that as well, of course. It's an irrational belief, a faith, that you've seized on to rationalise your own sense of superiority.

"I started with 50p, traded on eBay and made £500K profit in under 2 years!" might just serve as clickbait for a scam, but only just. There aren't many people who are gullible enough to think that's anything more than an extremely lucky outside chance regardless of any hard work that might be put into it.

Strictly speaking, I suppose I'm not technically a peasant because I don't live in a rural area. However, I am one of the multitude of people who occupy the same position in modern society as peasants did in the past. On that basis, I think it's reasonable and accurate to call myself a peasant on the basis of social and economic classes. That's essentially what made someone a peasant (or some other class) back then, so why not now? We still have social and economic classes, obviously. In medieval terms, I'm a moderately prosperous peasant freeman. But definitely a peasant. Unlike you, I don't look down on me and the multitude of people in the same social and economic classes. That's your issue, not mine.

EDIT: I'm going to repeat a question I asked you. Although I'd be surprised if you answered it, it is an important question that's relevant to your position so I will ask it again:

Are you even aware that the great majority of people are not rich? If so, how do you reconcile that with your stated belief that there is no reason for anyone to not be rich?
 
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Are you even aware that the great majority of people are not rich? If so, how do you reconcile that with your stated belief that there is no reason for anyone to not be rich?

Buddy, I just spent an age typing examples of how my 'normal' friends did it in 2 years, mind you they do all live in the North where things are a bit cheaper.

Wealth is what makes the Royals 'appear' different to us. I have come to the conclusion that you do not want to or care to achieve, you seem content at worshipping those above you. If so, fair enough. I will leave you to it.

And for the record, I have no reason to lie about my humble beginnings. If you really want to know how I did it, my father gave me 50p, and said I must venture out on my own (£1 would have been better!). As it happened, my friend wanted to sell his Audi headlights in the garage but didn't know how to list on ebay, he asked if I could do it, he would give me a 30% commission. In two months, I made 12k selling old speakers, sofas, used laptops etc. for my friends. I got a job in a local supermarket as a shelf stacker. I used 10k from my saving plus my salary to get a business mortgage on a commercial property for 60k, I rented the space out, the tenants turned it into a successful restaurant and spent 100k of their own money outfitting it out. This has pushed the value of my property to around 150k. At the same time, I bought a 2 bed house, on a mortgage and put 20k together from long shifts to buy farmland abroad through a friend, thanks to the exchange rate, I nearly doubled my money. The farmland now worth more than I bought it (50k an acre) as the tenants have turned it into a dairy farm. This generates me income and worth.
 
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Buddy, I just spent an age typing examples of how my 'normal' friends did it in 2 years, mind you they do all live in the North where things are a bit cheaper. [..]

As I expected, you won't answer the question. Why did you bother quoting it in order to not answer it?

I don't care how you got rich, or whether or not you're lying. I have never said it's impossible for someone to get rich. A miniscule proportion of people do get rich. That's not in dispute.
 
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The below are my friends for reference - are they all completely stupid?

Friend 1: Qualified as a gas engineer - did 7-10 services a day at £40 each 7 days a week
2 Years later: Has 9 houses

£2000 per week, £1300 after tax, times 104 = £135k. Your friend is only smart if prices go up, otherwise they are just a highly leveraged pending bankruptcy.

Friend 2: Took a 1.5k loan from a friend to buy a dog walking business, walks 7-10 dogs a day at £10 per hour making £400-500/day 7 days a week
2 years later: Bought grade II house with 1 acre land and owns a peregrin falcon with staff walking the dogs

There must be a lot of people willing to pay £50 to £70 per dog per day for his services. Or the figures are made up.

Friend 3: Qualified in IT, did contracting £150-300/hour for the government/tech companies
2 years later: Just bought a house for 700k

I mean at that rate they are paid probably 5 times the industry average. Unicorn role if ever I saw one.

Friend 4: Qualified as a trainee solicitor and went into land securities
2 years later: Bought a house for 1 million in an area with private security

Unlikely to be earning more than £100k, £1m seems quite leveraged.

Friend 5: Qualified as a lawyer, had a job for 6 months. Took a loan from a bank and bought a dilapidated dental practice. Now hires his own dentists
2 years later: Has 3 dental practices and drives a range rover with 12-15k income per month

Fair play

Friend 6: Practice Manager - bought a bankrupt nursing home with her husband with a business mortgage.
2 years later: Turning over 450k

Turn over doesn't equate to profit.

Friend 7: Nursery assistant - started her own nursery.
2 Years later: Has two sites turning over 250k

Turn over doesn't equate to profit. Nursery margins are notoriously poor.

Friend 8: Qualified as a social worker - worked for a company for 8 months, started own foster care service
2 Years later: turning over 250k

Turn over doesn't equate to profit.


Friend 9: Just started work as a locum 5-7 days a week
2 years later: has 5 student flats

Leveraged

Friend 10: Qualified in law, no job, started accident claim firm
2 years later: Turns over 500k

Turn over doesn't equate to profit. Insurance margins are also quite low after acquisition cost.

Friend 11: Business he was employed in selling cables went bankrupt, he asked if he could buy the cable machine with a loan from his father. Marketed himself to local companies and organisations
2 years later: Turns over 200k

Turn over doesn't equate to profit.

Friend 12: Took a loan from a bank to buy run-down warehouse, partitioned it and turned into offices
2 years later: makes 30k a month

Fair play

Friend 13: Setup an English language school for international foreign students in a rented office
2 years later: makes 10k a month

Profit/Turnover?

Friend 14: Hand to mouth clothing worker made redundant by bankrupt business, asked if he could rent a small section of the warehouse with his meagre £500 life savings, worked 6 days to make his own clothes and sold to local businesses on day 7
2 years later: makes 100k a year

Fair play

Friend 15: Started collecting scrap metal
2 years later: makes £1,000,000 a year

I've heard it can be lucrative. Must be hard work shifting 10,000 tons of steel per year.

Friend 16: Qualified as a joiner - started work as an kitchen fitter for a company at £200-400 day depending on the hours worked 7 days a week
2 years later: bought cheap land on a hill, and built an 11 bedroom house (fitted kitchen himself)

Right, getting a bit outlandish now....

Friend 17: Started selling on demand car paint after buying a 50% share in a business by selling his own car and remortgage help from his mother.
2 years later: Makes 7k a month

Fair play, actually sounds feasible.


Most of the above frankly sounds made up. Zero to success for every single one of them in two years. Maybe I am wrong, but I think that's unlikely.
 
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Friend 18: Worked in a sewerage plant literally smelling faecal matter all day. His mum mortgaged her house so he could buy the plant.
2 years later: Makes 14k a month.
Friend 19: sold his bottom for 50p to a sailor. He told his twenty friends and two weeks later friend 19 had £10.50 he bought some haemorrhoid cream and soothed his aching bum grapes which inspired the idea of buying his own bun grape cream factory. Twenty years later he still has the same dream as his looks fade and he can no longer charge 50p for his bottom, he also has chronic loose stools. He is a realist though and knows it was just a dream.
 
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Most of the above frankly sounds made up. Zero to success for every single one of them in two years. Maybe I am wrong, but I think that's unlikely.

As much as I would like to make up 17, yes, 17 examples. I think on the balance of probabilities it is unlikely, but since you are interested. I will tell you how they did it, not that it makes a jot of difference.

Friend 1: Yes, they are highly leveraged, but not too much as they bought a street of boarded up properties in Burnley, did the gas work himself and does the annual services himself. They are all rented, but tenant turnover is high.

Friend 2: The clients are from an existing business that he bought not his own, the female owner wanted to keep the cream of customers only, mostly GP's small dog pets, and other professionals. People pay £60 a day for a babysitter, so what's so strange about this, but he is responsible for pickup/drop-offs and feeding them.

Friend 3: The company I work for pay £1050 a day plus VAT for a specialist software trainer so a few hours for a contracted network comms engineer in a major call centre is not too bad. All they have to do is sign the invoices to claim it back through tax :)

Friend 4: I went to his house the other day, the deal of the day was 75K profit, and he does a deal once a month roughly. He was on the phone to his solicitor when I went so only stayed for 10 mins or so.

Friend 5: You seem to think they did ok so no need to detail this one.

Friend 6: Don't know more than turnover but you forget they can sell the business for good money with that turnover.

Friend 7: Don't know more than turnover but they could probably sell the business as a franchise, they are planning a 3rd opening.

Friend 8: Don't know more than turnover but you forget they can sell the business for good money with that turnover.

Friend 9: Yes, leveraged, but almost 100% occupancy most of the time, and 3 x more generated than mortgage amount. His locum generates around £1200/day for weekend working, don't know about days.

Friend 10: Don't know more than turnover but presumably they can sell the business for good money with that turnover.

Friend 11: Don't know more than turnover but presumably they can sell the business for good money with that turnover, currently has 3 dedicated sales staff with company cars.

Friend 12: You seem to think they did ok so no need to detail this one

Friend 13: Think he has around 12 students after counting the number of computer desks and used pads next them, possibly more if on a rotation basis (foreign students from East Asia are usually from wealthy families and value English a lot eventhough we speak it daily)

Friend 14: You seem to think they did ok so no need to detail this one.

Friend 15: Who said anything about Steel, yes he has some, but his speciality is cables for the copper inside them e.g. electrical, computer cables etc. His warehouse is piled high with them, usually from ex-IT lots/building scrap.

Friend 16: You may find this hard to believe but it is relatively cheap to build a house, I have been inside and it is tiled from top to bottom with 4 bathrooms incoporated and 2 ensuite, he did the kitchen work himself to save labour and the doors as well. It looks smallish on the outside but inside it is actually quite massive and spacious. The council would not give permission for it at all at first, after his architect submitted amends etc. they finally caved in - don't ask me why! What's so outlandish - he is a joiner by profession, and not about to pay someone else if he can do it for free where woodwork is concerned. The actual brickies made it in a few weeks.

Friend 17: You seem to think they did ok so no need to detail this one though he does drive the company van around instead of his own car. I am led to believe he is looking for a small family car for a new baby however.

Can I answer any more authenticity questions you may have? If you still think this is BS, then so be it, I cannot convince you otherwise, but my friends have one thing in common, they are hard working and never give up! I suggest you learn from them instead of criticising them, that is why I made the post in the first place to prove with the right attitude, hard work and determination, that it is possible to do well if you are in reasonable good health. After all, the previous owner of this forum and business sold up to the tune of 40 Million I believe, sorry, I don't recall the exact figure and it may have been more or less than that but you get the point.
 
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Friend 18: Worked in a sewerage plant literally smelling faecal matter all day. His mum mortgaged her house so he could buy the plant.
2 years later: Makes 14k a month.

You may joke about this, but there is probably good money in muck I would imagine (sewage treatment I mean). A sewage treatment plant with around half of each customer's water bill going towards it, yummy! This is probably a bit large scale for the average person (could be wrong), and probably in the tens of millions, and likely needs a ton of specialist biology/chemically trained staff. This is just my own opinion however and not based on any evidence or experience in this field other than turning on the tap for drinking water and leaving a floater in the loo.
 
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Friend 3: The company I work for pay £1050 a day plus VAT for a specialist software trainer so a few hours for a contracted network comms engineer in a major call centre is not too bad. All they have to do is sign the invoices to claim it back through tax :)

I worked as a comms engineer and got paid well but not near THAT level of well. My mate who I worked beside broke away to do his own thing, he and I were the only two folk in Scotland that were doing wireless RFID surveys. He now has big contracts with News Corp, often flying up and down to London to do work in one of their main offices. He gets pad extremely well but it still evidences what you're saying as a load of old danglies.
 
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Anyone else thought their was a parallel between Ivanka Trump / G20 and Prince William attending (private jet too) Davos global warming discussions.

maybe immaturity on the part of William and Harry, but inability of them to publically aknowledge they are in an elite situation, so their experiences do not correspond to the bulk of the poupulation - re: careers, money, depression ....
 
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I worked as a comms engineer and got paid well but not near THAT level of well. My mate who I worked beside broke away to do his own thing, he and I were the only two folk in Scotland that were doing wireless RFID surveys. He now has big contracts with News Corp, often flying up and down to London to do work in one of their main offices. He gets pad extremely well but it still evidences what you're saying as a load of old danglies.

Not sure of the specifics, but I think he also wrote his own interlink code maybe that's what differentiated him (or maybe not), but my manager told me that's what they were paying him, quite why I don't know. I am just the dogsbody in the company and have never earned above £10/hour from salaried work.
 
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Friend 19: sold his bottom for 50p to a sailor. He told his twenty friends and two weeks later friend 19 had £10.50 he bought some haemorrhoid cream and soothed his aching bum grapes which inspired the idea of buying his own bun grape cream factory. Twenty years later he still has the same dream as his looks fade and he can no longer charge 50p for his bottom, he also has chronic loose stools. He is a realist though and knows it was just a dream.

This is just plain rude and actually quite disrespectful, I was just making the point that any normal person with the right attitude and ideas can make it in life and business without looking at other people in awe. Thanks for your contribution anyway (if it all you can call it that).
 
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This is just plain rude and actually quite disrespectful, I was just making the point that any normal person with the right attitude and ideas can make it in life and business without looking at other people in awe. Thanks for your contribution anyway (if it all you can call it that).
Disrespectful to whom?
It's tongue in cheek, get over yourself.
 
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