The thread which sometimes talks about RDNA2

chris85oc · 13 Nov 2020 at 18:37

LukieBoy007 said:
If it's that bad then maybe RT won't be as big a thing this generation as some people have said, which could be a good thing with these new AMD GPUs.

Don't see how it's a good thing to have worse RT. Was hoping my ps5 would last me longer but guess i'll have to fork out another 500 when the inevitable pro comes out with the RDNA2 refresh.

AthlonXP1800 · 13 Nov 2020 at 18:49

muon said:
Great analysis of the GPU in Xbox Series X towards the end.

tldr - In Legions with RT the GPU is slightly worse to the same than a 2060 Super.

Oh my GOD, Xbox Series X and PS5 RT looked HORRIBLE with low resolution RT and some places has noisy RT and also has lower resolution textures compared to PC. Very pleased PC are still king and untouchable with Nvidia superior RT.

I have doubt whether RX 6000 GPU will have same issue with low resolution RT and noisy RT as on console? We shall find out on 18 November.

EastCoastHandle · 13 Nov 2020 at 18:57

muon said:
Great analysis of the GPU in Xbox Series X towards the end.

tldr - In Legions with RT the GPU is slightly worse to the same than a 2060 Super.

Just a I predicted, he favors RTX.
One glaring omissions:
1. He didn't provide direct FPS comparison between the console and the 2060.
2. There is a way to mod the IQ of WD: Legions that go way beyond the settings in the menu. I won't go into detail but he shows your IQ settings not found in the game menu. Yet claims the 2060 is better. Yet didn't copy the xbox's IQ settings over to the PC (since they are all the same except the numeric value for them) and post results of the 2060 performance using xbox settings. You want to know why? IMO, the console would still perform better.

But no, he claims RTX IQ victory omitting the performance penalty associated with it. Which would make playing the game at that level of RT IQ unplayable on a 2060. Which is why he's bias for RTX. Sad reallly. As it's really uncalled for. Only a few times did you see that 2060 in the 20-30 fps range which is more then enough to show that IQ means nothing if you can't play the game smooth.

Lets be clear, no one expected the RT to be better on console. That was proven in the Grand Turismo video. However, just as I predicted/though he would claim IQ victory for the RTX at the expense of performance.

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EastCoastHandle said:
Haa

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14:20 to 15:00 Talks about the pitfalls of ray tracing and how it can break immersion in this open world game. AND at 16:00 he indicates that DLSS isn't all that good telling his audience to enable sharpening. Overall he doesn't recommend it between 16:20-16:28.

Xbox Series X 4K/30 Ray Traced

November 10

BTW: Does it rain in the PC version? In any case, I will keep an eye out for the infamous Digital Foundry Comparison on November 10. I wonder if they will point out the limitations HU found at 14:20 on PC? I seriously doubt it.

But it does beg the question how well RX 6000 series will do?

Nope, they didn't point out the pitfalls of RTX. They only praised Nvidia's RTX, just as predicted.
That DF reviewer is pure trash IMO.

chris85oc · 13 Nov 2020 at 18:58

EastCoastHandle said:
Just a I predicted, he favors RTX.
One glaring omissions:
1. He didn't provide direct FPS comparison between the console and the 2060.
2. There is a way to mod the IQ of WD: Legions that go way beyond the settings in the menu. I won't go into detail but he shows your IQ settings not found in the game menu. Yet claims the 2060 is better. Yet didn't copy the xbox's IQ settings over to the PC (since they are all the same except the numeric value for them) and post results of the 2060 performance using xbox settings. You want to know why? IMO, the console would still perform better.

But no, he claims RTX IQ victory omitting the performance penalty associated with it. Which would make playing the game at that level of RT IQ unplayable on a 2060. Which is why he's bias for RTX. Sad reallly. As it's really uncalled for. Only a few times did you see that 2060 in the 20-30 fps range which is more then enough to show that IQ means nothing if you can't play the game smooth.

Lets be clear, no one expected the RT to be better on console. That was proven in the Grand Turismo video. However, just as I predicted/though he would claim IQ victory for the RTX at the expense of performance.

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Nope, they didn't point out the pitfalls of RTX. They only praised Nvidia's RTX, just as predicted.
That DF reviewer is pure trash IMO.

L to the o to the L

T’s’ok. Soon 6800xt vs 3080 RT benches in same games same settings. Let me guess. ‘Nvidia cheats RT and gimps it for AMD’ will be your next excuse

also btw, texture quality worse on xsx. What happened? Thought 10gb vram wasnt enough and xsx would *beep* all over the 3080.

EastCoastHandle · 13 Nov 2020 at 19:07

chris85oc said:
L to the o to the L

T’s’ok. Soon 6800xt vs 3080 RT benches in same games same settings. Let me guess. ‘Nvidia cheats RT and gimps it for AMD’ will be your next excuse

Pmsl, you got nothing to refute that bias review.
Good luck playing that watch dogs legions at 60fps with only 3090 at 4k. With it now being end-of-life because of the 3080 TI. Using a x570 motherboard that will only gimp Nvidia gpus in the future.

But its ok, don't worry, ampere will be faster then rdna 2 at cb2077 in rt. That's all that matters.

Nablaoperator · 13 Nov 2020 at 19:08

Did he discuss any stats so that some theories for RX RT performance can be proposed?

chris85oc · 13 Nov 2020 at 19:08

EastCoastHandle said:
Pmsl, you got nothing to refute that bias review.
Good luck playing that watch dogs legions at 60fps with only 3090 at 4k. With it now being end-of-life because of the 3080 TI. Using a x570 motherboard that will only gimp Nvidia gpus in the future.

But its ok, don't worry, ampere will be faster then rdna 2 at cb2077 in rt. That's all that matters.

in case you missed it im skipping this pc gpu gen. Got a 2080 + ps5 so I’m good thanks

. Least i can get better RT than XsX on my PC, not the same can be said about rx5700 xt users

michty_me · 13 Nov 2020 at 19:19

Was it this thread where people were discussing the use of RIS?
Can I use it to up my FPS in warzone as my Vega 56 seems to get less and less FPS every update. If so, how do I do it?

EastCoastHandle · 13 Nov 2020 at 19:28

chris85oc said:
in case you missed it im skipping this pc gpu gen. Got a 2080 + ps5 so I’m good thanks . Least i can get better RT than XsX on my PC, not the same can be said about rx5700 xt users

L to the O to the L
So, on PC you're stuck with pcie 3.0. Because using zen3 with turing showed much lower cpu results than with ampere.

Your 2080 doesn't offer the future pc ported game collection to warrant any superiority. And, as already noted in this thread Nvidia has already dropped driver support due to planned obsolescence. So, I seriously doubt that the 2080 is going to be faster at anything in the coming months. Because it's certainly no faster than a 5700 XT in Valhalla at 1440p Pmsl.

How unfortunate for you that I do not care about ray tracing like you. Which is why I do prefer the 5700xt. And can game on console for the actual games not on pc. Not because they offer rt. Thats the diff. between you and I.

chris85oc · 13 Nov 2020 at 19:49

EastCoastHandle said:
L to the O to the L
So, on PC you're stuck with pcie 3.0. Because using zen3 with turing showed much lower cpu results than with ampere.

Your 2080 doesn't offer the future pc ported game collection to warrant any superiority. And, as already noted in this thread Nvidia has already dropped driver support due to planned obsolescence. So, I seriously doubt that the 2080 is going to be faster at anything in the coming months. Because it's certainly no faster than a 5700 XT in Valhalla at 1440p Pmsl.

How unfortunate for you that I do not care about ray tracing like you. Which is why I do prefer the 5700xt. And can game on console for the actual games not on pc. Not because they offer rt. Thats the diff. between you and I.

Funny. You game on console for actual games not on pc? Why do you prefer the 5700xt then?

Also by console you mean xbox, which is basically a pc. Same games.

I’m pretty sure i ‘game’ on consoles more than you considering the playstation has actual singleplayer games worth playing, unlike the xsx which has 3rd party and ‘1st’ party garbage that is also playable on pc.

Also 5700xt faster than 2080? Because of 1 game at a specific resolution? Heh, nice try. Also very next gen looking that ac valhalla, for 2018 maybe. Edit: so 2080 still faster at 1440p and much faster at 4k. Guess you only play the few games in which AMD gpus perform better than their nvidia counterparts. A true gamer at heart.

gpuerrilla · 13 Nov 2020 at 20:01

TaKeN said:
I wonder if loyal forum members will be able to Pre Order before launch?

I wont be loyal if theres treatment like the 3080 guys got. I can wait for two maybe three weeks after shelling out £700, but beyond that its a farce. Particularly as these 6000 cards were supposed to have better supply and measures in place to stop bots/bulk ordering..

z10m · 13 Nov 2020 at 20:02

EastCoastHandle said:
Just a I predicted, he favors RTX.
One glaring omissions:
1. He didn't provide direct FPS comparison between the console and the 2060.
2. There is a way to mod the IQ of WD: Legions that go way beyond the settings in the menu. I won't go into detail but he shows your IQ settings not found in the game menu. Yet claims the 2060 is better. Yet didn't copy the xbox's IQ settings over to the PC (since they are all the same except the numeric value for them) and post results of the 2060 performance using xbox settings. You want to know why? IMO, the console would still perform better.

But no, he claims RTX IQ victory omitting the performance penalty associated with it. Which would make playing the game at that level of RT IQ unplayable on a 2060. Which is why he's bias for RTX. Sad reallly. As it's really uncalled for. Only a few times did you see that 2060 in the 20-30 fps range which is more then enough to show that IQ means nothing if you can't play the game smooth.

Lets be clear, no one expected the RT to be better on console. That was proven in the Grand Turismo video. However, just as I predicted/though he would claim IQ victory for the RTX at the expense of performance.

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Nope, they didn't point out the pitfalls of RTX. They only praised Nvidia's RTX, just as predicted.
That DF reviewer is pure trash IMO.

You clearly didn’t watch the video closely. He is using edited file to get same settings as Xbox series x but even then ray tracing looks better on pc.
Not only that but series x is using dynamic resolution which drops way below 4K where the 2060 Super is running native 4K.
The game runs at 30fps on series x and he left frame rate uncapped on the 2060 to show how much more performance there was. I only seen it drop to 28-29fps at native 4K in a place where series x had to lower resolution by quite a bit to maintain 30fps.

EastCoastHandle · 13 Nov 2020 at 20:11

chris85oc said:
Funny. You game on console for actual games not on pc? Why do you prefer the 5700xt then?

Also by console you mean xbox, which is basically a pc. Same games.

I’m pretty sure i ‘game’ on consoles more than you considering the playstation has actual singleplayer games worth playing, unlike the xsx which has 3rd party and ‘1st’ party garbage that is also playable on pc.

Also 5700xt faster than 2080? Because of 1 game at a specific resolution? Heh, nice try. Also very next gen looking that ac valhalla, for 2018 maybe. Edit: so 2080 still faster at 1440p and much faster at 4k. Guess you only play the few games in which AMD gpus perform better than their nvidia counterparts. A true gamer at heart.

This is nothing more than a circular argument regurgitating the same things already discussed. Which reveals your true motives.
Does it change the fact that the digitalfoundry video only praised RTX ignoring the pitfalls and shortcomings of RTX as found in the hardware unboxed video? No. Did they ignore the low performance of the card they use to exemplify the image quality settings in RT. To the degree in which they ignore the performance penalty associated by doing that? Yes.

That's all that matters here. How you feel about it I could care less

z10m said:
You clearly didn’t watch the video closely. He is using edited file to get same settings as Xbox series x but even then ray tracing looks better on pc.
Not only that but series x is using dynamic resolution which drops way below 4K where the 2060 Super is running native 4K.
The game runs at 30fps on series x and he left frame rate uncapped on the 2060 to show how much more performance there was. I only seen it drop to 28-29fps at native 4K in a place where series x had to lower resolution by quite a bit to maintain 30fps.

Instead of blathering on and on and on provide me the timestamps that clearly show that performance diff. of the 2060 and the console using the modded settings. That's all. It doesn't take a writing a narrative in replying to my post to do that.

chris85oc · 13 Nov 2020 at 20:17

EastCoastHandle said:
This is nothing more than a circular argument regurgitating the same things already discussed. Which reveals your true motives.
Does it change the fact that the digitalfoundry video only praised RTX ignoring the pitfalls and shortcomings of RTX as found in the hardware unboxed video? No. Did they ignore the low performance of the card they use to exemplify the image quality settings in RT. To the degree in which they ignore the performance penalty Associated by doing that? Yes.
That's all that matters here. How you feel about it I could care less

Instead of blathering on and on and on provide me the timestamps that clearly show that performance diff. of the 2060 and the console using the modded settings. That's all. It doesn't take a writing a narrative in replying to my post to do that.

What are you still going on about? The 2060 super has better perf than xbox series x when RT mode is on while still providing better image quality .

That is all there is to it.

EastCoastHandle · 13 Nov 2020 at 20:18

chris85oc said:
What are you still going on about? The 2060 super has better perf than xbox series x when RT mode is on while still providing better image quality .

That is all there is to it.

Just like choo choo that ran out of steam.

CashmereThoughts · 13 Nov 2020 at 21:03

Not sure where to post this but will vrr act as freesync on c9?

I watched Vincent's video but he never explained whether dips between 120fps and 90 will be smoothed over somewhat.

Thanks.

kieran_read · 13 Nov 2020 at 21:05

With these "apparently" launching next week has there been any word on pre-ordered yet?

z10m · 13 Nov 2020 at 21:12

EastCoastHandle said:
Instead of blathering on and on and on provide me the timestamps that clearly show that performance diff. of the 2060 and the console using the modded settings. That's all. It doesn't take a writing a narrative in replying to my post to do that.

Ok start watching the video from 12:35 where he explains settings used and how it compares to 2060 super.

z10m · 13 Nov 2020 at 21:15

CashmereThoughts said:
Not sure where to post this but will vrr act as freesync on c9?

I watched Vincent's video but he never explained whether dips between 120fps and 90 will be smoothed over somewhat.

Thanks.

Yes it will on xboxes but on PS5 vrr doesn’t work currently for whatever reason despite being listed in official specification.

gpuerrilla · 13 Nov 2020 at 21:17

Dropping the bollock there arent they Sony..