The thread which sometimes talks about RDNA2

[Phate]

I fail to comprehend, how so many seem to also fail to comprehend. That given current circumstances with the pandemic, causing manufacturing slowdown issues, plus exaggerating demand that anyone thought that the launch yesterday was going to go any other way? Of course it was going to sell out in seconds, no matter what they were able to supply.

What is key here, is how quickly and regularly AMD can restock - I do not ridicule AMD for yesterday and anyone thinking they missed an "open-goal" from Nvidia also doesn't understand a few basic things and is just bloody bitter and taking out their frustrations in the wrong way

What will be the test here, as mentioned, is how quickly they can restock. Nvidia has been ridiculed mostly due to the fact that 2 months after a clearly rushed launch (hardware issues, driver issues, price gauging and whatnot) with awful stock re-supply, because you still cannot buy one with no reasonable expectation on when you can, either.

If in a months time the situation with AMD reflects Nvidia, when well, off with their heads

 

[Martini1991]

I fail to comprehend, how so many seem to also fail to comprehend. That given current circumstances with the pandemic, causing manufacturing slowdown issues, plus exaggerating demand that anyone thought that the launch yesterday was going to go any other way? Of course it was going to sell out in seconds, no matter what they were able to supply.

What is key here, is how quickly and regularly AMD can restock - I do not ridicule AMD for yesterday and anyone thinking they missed an "open-goal" from Nvidia also doesn't understand a few basic things and is just bloody bitter and taking out their frustrations in the wrong way

What will be the test here, as mentioned, is how quickly they can restock. Nvidia has been ridiculed mostly due to the fact that 2 months after a clearly rushed launch (hardware issues, driver issues, price gauging and whatnot) with awful stock re-supply, because you still cannot buy one with no reasonable expectation on when you can, either.

If in a months time the situation with AMD reflects Nvidia, when well, off with their heads

I'd get that, but I can buy an Apple iPhone 12 as if it isn't the most popular phone on the planet..

 

[Alexrose1uk]

True, but there were talks even they might have to delay the launch; and additionally they're about the only 5nm partner TSMC has right now, so they get the lion's share of 5nm productivity, along with Apple's traditional clout with manufacturers etc due to volume. By contrast TSMC 7nm is in use for more products, so simply put needs to be booked further in advance.

You can't simply triple your order, and push your volume delivery up by 3 months and expect it to happen; even if AMD DID start making amendments to orders as soon as it became clear what COVID was doing, and then they saw Nvidia's issues with stock and the demand there; it could be anywhere from 3-6 months before any meaningful changes actually translate to reality; as this sort of production or volume registration and prediction is done well in advance. It wouldn't surprise me if the volume orders were registered near the beginning of the year.

 

[varkanoid]

Correct the race is on, its a level playing field now between AMD and Nvidia for the first time in years. AMD has a card that is competitive to Nvidia. Its what we have been wanting for years and years yet people still complain but that is only down to lack of paitence.

AMD v Nvidia who will be king at Xmas !

Bring it on.

 

[Besty]

It's more amusing because HEADRAT was one of the lucky few to get a 6800XT and is now acting like the launch was a resounding success.

Anyone who manages to get an AMD card this cycle dodges a bullet which is the £1,649 3090 Palit which appears to be the current, in-stock market price as i type this out.

There is much wailing in this thread and i expect that to be cranked up to 10 once the 6900XT rears its head.

If you have not got an AMD card yet just console yourself (cough) that you have not thrown a grand up the wall on a 3090 Palit.

 

[humbug]

Microsoft and Sony sold as many of the new consoles in a week as they sold last gen in the first quarter, about 1.5 Million each.

The demand for entertainment hardware right now is just crazy, it really is a supply and demand issue.

 

[Alexrose1uk]

Yes, that also makes a difference, MSRP is basically a non-entity right now from either manufacturer.
If the AMD cards actually turn up in stock down the line at say AIB 6800XT for £700, but the 3080 settles at £850 (and the 3080 TI at £1000), at least compared to the 3080, the 6800XT is looking golden; it beats it in many cases at rasterisation at 1080p/1440p, its similar at 4k. Yes the RT is slower and AMD isn't done on its software parity yet; but is that worth an extra £150 roughly as long as drivers for the most part are solid, and rasterisation (AKA THE VAST VAST MAJORITY OF TITLES) perform well? That £150 is a whole extra component upgrade elsewhere, a decent number of games, or some good money in the kitty towards the next upgrade 3 years down the line.
The MSRP might be $50 apart; but that well might not be the long term reality price, MSRP is ABSOLUTELY IRRELEVANT as a comparison point IF YOU CANNOT BUY AT THAT PRICE.

Think about it this way; just a few months ago, the 2080 Super was selling for £700-800 or so in many cases, the 2080TI for £1100+.

This £650 card just took that card to the cleaners by often significant margins, across the board, AND beat it on RT in AMDs first RT attempt, for roughly half that price. THAT is a serious generational lift. The 3080 might be great value (compared to last gen) MSRP'd, but vendors have already said the MSRP is fake; it basically costs that much or more to make, so its never going to return as the standard price, or that the way it appears; the AMD might have a chance of returning to an MSRP-esque vicinities as the chips frankly cost less to make.

This is a great launch, and I think to a degree, the false MSRPs and people focusing on that are affecting people's perspective unreasonably. Look at the ACTUAL selling prices, and the performance...

 

[Phate]

I'd get that, but I can buy an Apple iPhone 12 as if it isn't the most popular phone on the planet..

I was having this discussion yesterday with a friend. Don't Apple manufacturer the majority of their components in house, streamlining delays?

 

[Twinz]

just ask Gibbo

I asked you.

 

[Tiny_D]

Agreed, it's nothing like the launches I remember which were always happy and exciting (as PC hardware gets) occasions. Now it seems like an exercise in carrot-dangling frustration.

I recall walking into the Big Blue place years ago as the doors opened on launch day, first in line "I'll have 2 x 780Ti please", he responded "Not doing it by half are you?, have £10 off for being a loyal customer since we opened", ahh they were the days.... That was a grand back then... But felt good driving home and unboxing, fitting and testing then playing.


Now it's post on forums "Wtf Gibbo why didn't the product even show on the webpage for me and was £70 over msrp?" Then to be told to take a ticket and wait 3-4 months possibly. (After canceled my Aorus Xtreme last week place 19th from Spet 17th...). Ahh how the world has improved with age haha.

 

[Twinz]

Where can I buy one of these cards that's destroying my last generation card for less money?

I'm on a 5700XT I paid £375 for.

That price point has not been released. What we have now are cards that beat last gen's $1200 card by a sizable margin. The $700 price point from last gen is getting beat by new cards that cost less as well.
The lower price points will get released eventually too.

Some people are complaining about $700 cards where AIB's are selling versions that cost $50 to $100 more. -And pretending that it's a conspiratorial rip-off.

 

[five8five]

This comment aged like "a fine wine".

Plus his "I've just purchased a 6800 card" tweet

 

[montymint]

Keith has arrived with my XT

 

[five8five]

If AMD have decent availability in coming weeks via AIBs, or at least reasonable shipments, then it's not a paper launch. The AIBs start rolling out all of next week; so its not like these are far behind. Lets see where we are by mid December and we will be able to see if this was a paper launch (demand but no supply), or just a toilet paper launch (supply but way too much demand at the moment).

Okay, but AMD have actually said in a video posted earlier in the thread, "availability will get better at the end of the year and into next year".

 

[five8five]

Where can I buy one of these cards that's destroying my last generation card for less money?

I'm on a 5700XT I paid £375 for.

I'm not really sure because AMD have said they are going to continue producing the 5700XT. I presume there will be a card or two below the 6800 but I don't think they'll destroy your 5700XT.

 

[Tiny_D]

Keith has arrived with my XT

F'in luv Keith I do

 

[Alexrose1uk]

Okay, but AMD have actually said in a video posted earlier in the thread, "availability will get better at the end of the year and into next year".

Exactly, December IS end of the year, so that's the point, a month from now is 20th December.

If this materialises and we see increasing shipments over the next month into December and then into the new year; then it is not a paper launch, its simply a toilet paper launch where demand completely outstripped supply/expected demand.

Nvidia have had two months already and cards are still almost completely absent and sounds like actual supply and shipments are still not at all good. The waiting list threads tell you that much already.

AMD simply need to do better than that, and they'll have a good Christmas and essentially sell about everything they can ship.

 

[SnR3]

AMD doesn't get credit for something it hasn't done yet, the launch was bloody awful and they deserve ridicule for it.

If they do a decent job on AIB supply then it doesn't matter but I have zero reason to trust either Nvidia or AMD at the moment.

Wasn't it said weeks ago that AIB are to have much higher volume of stock compared to reference models? Since Ocuk had couple hundred MBA than I expect about 1-2k of AIB. Shall see how that will work out at 25th.

 

[JediFragger]

Keith has arrived with my XT

Had Keith twice last week, he was good. Got Vince coming over soon with mine, hope he's just as good....

 

[Martini1991]

I'm not really sure because AMD have said they are going to continue producing the 5700XT. I presume there will be a card or two below the 6800 but I don't think they'll destroy your 5700XT.

I can't see why AMD would continue to produce the 5700XT, and if they are, they're doing a terrible job of it looking at OCUK's stock.