The thread which sometimes talks about RDNA2

[uscool]

Dude, AMD ray tracing wont get faster with new games its the hardware that is slower. The only way AMD's RT gets faster is if newer games reduce the quality or have very limited RT. Like Dirt 5 for example, its just RT on the car's shadows the game is 100% rasterasation. You need to stop cherry picking your data and trying to mislead other people. In DXR Nvidia completely dominates and its hardware that is the cause. In RT the 6800xt is slower by 34 and 64 per cent depending on the game. The 6800XT is -6.9% slower than the 3080 in rasterization games at 4k. https://www.3dcenter.org/news/radeo...ltate-zur-ultrahd4k-performance-im-ueberblick Game optimisation techniques is not the cause.

Lets ease up till GodFall at how the AMD Radeon RX 6000 Series graphics cards handle ray tracing

 

[Hotwired]

So AMD RDNA2 Tech Demo "Hangar 21" is just a video.

And AMD RDNA™ 2 "Hangar 21" Annotated Technology Demo is just a video but annotated.

 

[zx128k]

Regurgitating the same thing and quoting a couple of reviewers to back you up is not a be all and end all to your argument winning, lazy is what it is and no matter how many internet commentators you can dig up repeating the same blanket statements it doesn't make those any more valid than my arguments.

They looked at a few RTX branded games and concluded "Slower = bad hardware" like the naive logic you would expect from todays tech journalists who wouldn't know how to think outside adding two together let alone analyse anything.

I disagree with you, i have given my reasons, repeating yourself isn't going to change it, try reasoning your arguments, then we can have a conversation.

Slower does equal bad when the goal is speed. Reviews are evidence of performance. Stop posting obvious misinformation, let people decide for themselves on the facts. You know the facts, so why do you keep making the wrong conclusions? Making up false sophistry arguments. Can't you do us all a favour and just accept facts for what they are.

Opinion is one thing, but constant cherry picked sources, arguments to distort a debate and outright manufacture of problems that dont exist is another. Trying to attack the person and not the argument at hand. One has to ask are you running a PR campaign for AMD or are you just a wing nut? This is the same methods used by nasty governments to shut down information they dont like.

 

[humbug]

So AMD RDNA2 Tech Demo "Hangar 21" is just a video.

My ships better

 

[zx128k]

Lets ease up till GodFall at how the AMD Radeon RX 6000 Series graphics cards handle ray tracing

Godfall is just shadows its not a full RT game. RT is only on AMD cards. https://wccftech.com/godfall-ray-tr...but-only-on-amd-gpus-nvidia-getting-it-later/


https://www.hardwaretimes.com/godfall-pc-gets-ray-tracing-on-amd-big-navi-gpus-no-rtx-for-nvidia/

Godfall is one of the five titles slated to implement ray-tracing on RDNA 2 GPUs, alongside Far Cry 6, Dirt 5, WOW: Shadowlands, and Rift Breaker. Unfortunately, all these games are limited to just ray-traced shadows. Till now, the most appealing ray-traced titles are those that come with ray-traced reflections, most notably Control.

As far as Godfall is concerned, developers have promised ray-tracing support for NVIDIA GPUs in the coming weeks. This is most likely a step taken to avoid an embarrassing showing in Godfall with ray-tracing turned on. Since the implementation is based on DXR, there’s no reason why it shouldn’t work on RTX GPUs. I’d call this unfair and outrageous, but I guess that’s just how the industry works these days.

 

[EastCoastHandle]

NVIDIA cards are also getting SAM and unlike AMD, this won’t be locked to their platform and will work on both Intel and AMD so expect to see NVIDIA cards keep up on this metric too in future.

The power consumption seems almost the same to me on both cards.30 watts less power than 3080 but it also performs slightly slower as well.

I know you are easily susceptible by nvidia marketing based on your reply. However, in order to get the resizable bar to actually work will take Intel, not just Nvidia. Nvidia want to incentivize Intel but not the other way around.

If Nvidia comes up with a method that doesn't involve Intel then they are not doing SAM. They may call it SAM but it wouldn't be the same as to what AMD did. I suggest you take some time to educate yourself on how resizable Bar works. What efforts the user are involved in order to get SAM to work, IE: Bios settings, how win10 needs to be installed, etc before posting nonsense like this. It does a disservice to anyone foolish enough to believe you.

Furthermore, if you want to make yourself a believable gpu "user" I suggest that you don't post power difference of .30 between the RDNA 2 and Ampere based on the charts your replied too. You make it look very obvious as to your intent.

 

[Gerard]

25th is the target date. Not all will hit the same day though. ASICs have gone to AIBs that would commit to getting those to retailer shelves the quickest.

From hardocp.

 

[jonneymendoza]

Good thing I don't need to make a decision now because they are not in stock anyway.

No stock until the 7800 comes LOL

 

[EastCoastHandle]

Regurgitating the same thing and quoting a couple of reviewers to back you up is not a be all and end all to your argument winning, lazy is what it is and no matter how many internet commentators you can dig up repeating the same blanket statements it doesn't make those any more valid than my arguments.

They looked at a few RTX branded games and concluded "Slower = bad hardware" like the naive logic you would expect from todays tech journalists who wouldn't know how to think outside adding two together let alone analyse anything.

I disagree with you, i have given my reasons, repeating yourself isn't going to change it, try reasoning your arguments, then we can have a conversation.

Personal attack? Hahaha oh dear..

Your trolling the thread with the same spam over and over, you obviously have some kind of victim complex as well.

My suggestion for you is, this is an AMD thread discussing AMD products and their merits, its not an Nvidia thread discussing their merits, there are plenty of those though, so maybe go drag your constant spam to them where you will likely find an audience more ready to agree.

Your actions here are pretty much just baiting and trolling, luckily i have the option to place you on ignore so i dont have to read your constant drivel, something which i am now about to do.

I urge anyone else reading this tripe from this guy to also take up this option as it makes the thread a lot less moronic to read

It's pretty obvious the motives and trend of the posts coming from zx128k

 

[zx128k]

I know you are easily susceptible by nvidia marketing based on your reply. However, in order to get the resizable bar to actually work will take Intel, not just Nvidia. Nvidia want to incentivize Intel but not the other way around.

If Nvidia comes up with a method that doesn't involve Intel then they are not doing SAM. They may call it SAM but it wouldn't be the same as to what AMD did. I suggest you take some time to educate yourself on how resizable Bar works. What efforts the user are involved in order to get SAM to work, IE: Bios settings, how win10 needs to be installed, etc before posting nonsense like this. It does a disservice to anyone foolish enough to believe you.

Furthermore, if you want to make yourself a believable gpu "user" I suggest that you don't post power difference of .30 between the RDNA 2 and Ampere based on the charts your replied too. You make it look very obvious as to your intent.

Resizable BAR support

• 04/20/2017

It is typical today for a discrete graphics processing unit (GPU) to have only a small portion of its frame buffer exposed over the PCI bus. For compatibility with 32bit OSes, discrete GPUs typically claim a 256MB I/O region for their frame buffers and this is how typical firmware configures them.

For Windows Display Driver Model (WDDM) v2, Windows will renegotiate the size of a GPU BAR post firmware initialization on GPUs supporting resizable BAR, see Resizable BAR Capability in the PCI SIG Specifications Library.

A GPU, supporting resizable BAR, must ensure that it can keep the display up and showing a static image during the reprogramming of the BAR. In particular, we don't want to see the display go blank and back up during this process. It is important to have smooth transition between the firmware displayed image, the boot loader image and the first kernel mode driver generated image. It is guaranteed that no PCI transaction will occur toward the GPU while the renegotiation is taking place.

For the most part this renegotiation will be invisible to the kernel mode driver. When the renegotiation is successful, the kernel mode driver will observe that the GPU BAR has been resized to its maximum size to expose the entire VRAM of the discrete GPU.

Upon successful resizing, the kernel mode driver should expose a single, CPUVisible, memory segment to the video memory manager. The video memory manager will map CPU virtual addresses directly to this range when the CPU need to access the content of the memory segment. https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/drivers/display/resizable-bar-support

https://pcisig.com/specifications?speclib=resizable+BAR

The Resizable BAR capability currently allows BARs of up to 512 GB (239), which allows address bits <38:0> to be passed into an Endpoint. 2.x April 24, 2008

Also its likely here in the 10000 series white paper. https://cdrdv2.intel.com/v1/dl/getContent/615212?wapkw=Resizable BAR Capability ECN page 58 likely match.

Software should ensure that the sum of the length of the enhanced configuration region + TOLUD + any other known ranges reserved above TOLUD is not greater than the 39-bit addressable limit of 512GB.

So nvidia could just write a driver to enable resizable bar. Windows Display Driver Model (WDDM) v2 support in windows 10 just needs a GPU to support this feature.

 

[zx128k]

It's pretty obvious the motives and trend of the posts coming from zx128k

All backed up with evidence, so I cant be called biased. Meanwhile some people are cherry picking evidence (dirt 5), distroting the facts, arguing the outliner will explain the distribution (dirt 5 RT shadows), attacking other people, smoke screen arguments (to little vram, godfall) and plain making issues as they go along (to little vram, godfall etc). Accept the facts people, how many times do people have to repost them and you ignore it? I guess the facts must not exist if you dont agree with them.

 

[Hakanese]

https://youtu.be/o---4uec1X4
At least the miners won't be stealing all the cards

 

[zx128k]

https://youtu.be/o---4uec1X4
At least the miners won't be stealing all the cards

The 3080 is approx 100MH/s the last time I checked. https://www.notebookcheck.net/The-N...-s-double-the-Radeon-RX-5700-XT.494246.0.html

 

[EastCoastHandle]

Spoiler: lol

https://pcisig.com/specifications?speclib=resizable+BAR



Intel network cards already use the feature.



Also its likely here in the 10000 series white paper. https://cdrdv2.intel.com/v1/dl/getContent/615212?wapkw=Resizable BAR Capability ECN page 58 likely match.



So nvidia could just write a driver to enable resizable bar. Windows Display Driver Model (WDDM) v2 support in windows 10 just needs a GPU to support this feature.

Spoiler: lol

All backed up with evidence, so I cant be called biased. Meanwhile some people are cherry picking evidence, distroting the facts, attacking other people and making things up. Accept the facts people, how many times do people have to repost them and you ignore it? I guess the facts must not exist if you dont agree with them

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So you just admitted you are also Shaz12! Making this a dup. account. Because my post was regarding someone else which didn't involve you nor should have triggered you to reply to me.
A reply that doesn't refute Intel's need for involvement in SAM/resizing Bar but never the less you reply as if I was talking directly to you.
Like the old saying goes...give them enough rope and they hang themselves.

 

[zx128k]

So you just admitted you are also Shaz12! Making this a dup. account. Because my post was regarding someone else which didn't involve you nor should have triggered you to reply to me.
A reply that doesn't refute Intel's need for involvement in SAM/resizing Bar but never the less you reply as if I was talking directly to you.
Like the old saying goes...give them enough rope and they hang themselves.

Still trying to attack me personally are we. Resizing Bar is a PCIe 2.x feature.

 

[JediFragger]

The 6800XT is excellent and surpassed my expectations, I love it! Built like an absolute beast too, quality all round Made my system silent too, and that's even with the PL pushed to the max (and a slight undervolt!). Running 1.1v and 2510 clock atm (2470ish in game).

RT isn't bothering me, as said all existing titles have been written for nVidia gpu's in mind. When stuff is optimised for AMD too I think it'll be ok

 

[Joxeon]

I know you are easily susceptible by nvidia marketing based on your reply. However, in order to get the resizable bar to actually work will take Intel, not just Nvidia. Nvidia want to incentivize Intel but not the other way around.

If Nvidia comes up with a method that doesn't involve Intel then they are not doing SAM. They may call it SAM but it wouldn't be the same as to what AMD did. I suggest you take some time to educate yourself on how resizable Bar works. What efforts the user are involved in order to get SAM to work, IE: Bios settings, how win10 needs to be installed, etc before posting nonsense like this. It does a disservice to anyone foolish enough to believe you.

Furthermore, if you want to make yourself a believable gpu "user" I suggest that you don't post power difference of .30 between the RDNA 2 and Ampere based on the charts your replied too. You make it look very obvious as to your intent.

AMD have already confirmed that they are working with nvidia to enabled it on there platform so I would be surprised if Intel are not also.

 

[EastCoastHandle]

Still trying to attack me personally are we. Resizing Bar is a PCIe 2.x feature.

Oh my, you didn't even deny the dup account either. Just post that I'm attacking you. Which account are you referencing this one or Shaz12? I'm confused?

AMD have already confirmed that they are working with nvidia to enabled it on there platform so I would be surprised if Intel are not also.

That has no relevance for me. As a CPU manufacture, AMD can choose who they want to work with regarding SAM. Personally I would tell Nvidia to pound sand. But if you just applied a little bit of reasoning you would know that Intel would need to work with Nvidia. Which is the context of my prior post you replied to. Which had nothing to do with AMD.

 

[zx128k]

The 6800XT is excellent and surpassed my expectations, I love it! Built like an absolute beast too, quality all round Made my system silent too, and that's even with the PL pushed to the max (and a slight undervolt!). Running 1.1v and 2510 clock atm (2470ish in game).

RT isn't bothering me, as said all existing titles have been written for nVidia gpu's in mind. When stuff is optimised for AMD too I think it'll be ok

RT otimisation for AMD cards is going to be about reducing features and reducing quality. See the Spider-man video I posted about otimisations. If you are happy with that and can accept the reduced quality then get a 6800xt, if not get a RTX 3080. Rays tracing is limited by how many rays the hardware can handle. Its pure hardware performance.

 

[zx128k]

Oh my, you didn't even deny the dup account either. Just post that I'm attacking you. Which account are you referencing this one or Shaz12? I'm confused?

You are not making an argument, you are making a statement about me. Play the ball not the man. Before you even posted I already showed Intel CPU's support it, windows drivers support it and nvidia say the gpu supports it. What do you think will happen next?

https://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDI...-Smart-Access-Cache-alternative.503981.0.html

NVIDIA, in its reply, stated that Resizable BAR is "a part of the PCIe specification," and that Ampere cards already feature hardware support. NVIDIA is planning to release software updates that will enable Resizable BAR. And unlike AMD's option, which purportedly only works on Ryzen 5000 (we have no word so far on Ryzen 3000 compatibility), the NVIDIA alternative will work with a wide range of CPUs, including Intel and Ryzen models.