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varkanoid said:
I think you are comparing with rose tinted glasses. In a normal year the Nvidia launch was bleepin awful the worst ever IMHO. The only truth is AMD's 6000 series was worse ! :)

Compare people who have ordered a 3080, there money has been taken and still have not got the card weeks after launch to 6000 series cards you cant buy but at least you still have your money. :D
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I think this is why it's not clear who's launch was actually worse. I don;t think we know how many cards actually shipped for both, since retailers allowed horrific levels of back ordering with Ampere but none with Navi.
 
JediFragger said:
Yeah but not yet, maybe in 6 months. Having too much fun with this XT and undervolting it! Running 50c in game lol
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I need to UV mine a little further I think. I hit a little over 90c on the junction when under heavy use but my fans are barely going over 600rpm most of the time. I really love that as my vega 64 would be three times the RPM for a hotter junction.
 
montymint said:
I think this is why it's not clear who's launch was actually worse. I don;t think we know how many cards actually shipped for both, since retailers allowed horrific levels of back ordering with Ampere but none with Navi.
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True I just dont get the arguement that one was worse than the other. They were both bad. Who cares move on :)
 
varkanoid said:
True I just dont get the arguement that one was worse than the other. They were both bad. Who cares move on :)
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exactly! I was a crap Q4 for the majority of PC gamers and a decent chunk of the console gamers. Covid really did a number on the whole supply and demand thing.
 
Shaz12 said:
AMD is on the verge of stealing NVIDIA’s performance crown if there is something even better than 6900XT down the line. NVIDIA cannot let that happen at any cost and Ampere has been pushed to its limits. The 3080, 3080 Ti and 3090 perform very close to each other and the top end is getting crowded with no meaningful differences. That’s why I expect Hopper to be prioritised and launched Q42020 or Q1 2021.

Neither AMD nor NVIDIA care about stocks so neither will care about capacity. It will be a paper launch but I do not want the life span of my card to be restricted to 1 year.
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What are you talking about? The 3080Ti is being released as a more 'affordable' counter to the 6900XT and will likely beat it at 4k, same as the 3080 beats the 6800XT at 4k. Then there is the RT and DLSS advantage. In the end, the overall performance with all taken into account will be similar. There is no need for Nvidia to rush Hopper out next year with the logistical situation being as bad as it is and for the other reasons that people noted above.
 
willhub said:
I'm surprised the card doesn't seem to scale very well when the clocks are really racked up? Around a 5% performance bump, on Ampere the small overclocks seem to give around a 3-4% performance bump.
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I posted a review with the 6800xt overclock performance that shows 4% speed increase.
 
subbytna said:
Why is there no stock for the 6800Xts? I mean I know there's a pandemic going but also i've not heard, on tech sites and online, of any problems with yields. Is there maybe a yield issue that's being hidden?

Or is there, here's the cynic in me now, AMD making just a "handful" of reference cards at MSRP to show the cards being sold at that price, then letting AIB's set a price so we think AMD are the good guys for "low actual MSRP" and the AIB's are "greedy" due to higher prices, when the AIB prices are realistically the actual prices AMD have in mind to sell at? Ergo making the cost per frame look amazing for the AMD reference cards and perhaps not so good for the AIB cards?
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But then why are there no AIB cards either!? Most likely explanation is low yields, plus COVID which obviously does impact virtually every step in the value chain. It's a perfect storm. In fairness they have done everything right...except stock the shelves. No shortage of demand, good reviews or high prices - but no product.
 
zx128k said:
I posted a review with the 6800xt overclock performance that shows 4% speed increase.
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It's 3 or 4 FPS in many games, which most people will not notice. Nowhere near worth an extra £100 - £150+ especially considering the starting prices. No matter how many flashing lights are on the card ;)
 
Rob Parsons said:
UK Prices

Asrock RX 6800 XT Taichi £802.56
Asrock RX 6800 XT Phantom Gaming D £772.20
Asus RX6800 XT Strix LC £893.36
PowerColor Red Devil 6800 xt Limited Edition £787.21
PowerColor Red Devil 6800xt standard £777.18
PowerColor RX6800 XT Red Dagon £712
XFX RX6800 XT Speedster Merc £713.44
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That's a confident move from AMD. AMD is now becoming the premium brand. Kudos to Dr Lisa Su
 
subbytna said:
2700Hz, tha'ts insane for a GPU on air lol
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Unfortunately it's not far away from as high as these cards can go, its pretty obvious that water cooling is a waste of money on big navi.

Cards are doing 2700 on air right, well it's confirmed AMD only allows up to 2800mhz - thats the absolute maximum allowed in the BIOS, you'd have to hack it and make your own BIOS if you want the card to go any faster.

So what you're seeing is that on air it's getting about the same performance that you'd see on water and LN2 performance would only be a little better.

If you can unlock the frequency somehow and unlock the power limit to 500w, then put it under water then maybe we can see 3000mhz - but for now 2800mhz and 350w is the max, well actually 2700mhz is the max since 350w is too little
 
Rezident said:
It's 3 or 4 FPS in many games, which most people will not notice. Nowhere near worth an extra £100 - £150+ especially considering the starting prices. No matter how many flashing lights are on the card ;)
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Maybe, you also have to consider that the 2080ti Strix OC had the same 16+3 phase PCB and worse cooler than this new Red Devil has and cost £1,600 rrp but at launch it was realistically £1,750.

£700-800 for the Red Devil at launch seems far better value to these buyers when you consider what Nvidia have been ripping people off for.

You also have people like myself that don’t want to feed the £1,500 beast anymore assuming AMD is in the same ballpark performance wise.
 
Rezident said:
But then why are there no AIB cards either!? Most likely explanation is low yields, plus COVID which obviously does impact virtually every step in the value chain. It's a perfect storm. In fairness they have done everything right...except stock the shelves. No shortage of demand, good reviews or high prices - but no product.
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I doubt it's low yields. It's capacity and demand. There's only TSMC and Samsung making wafers at this node, and there's vast competition between Apple, Intel, Nvidia, Sony, Microsoft, etc who all want chips. Even at AMD, they internally have GPUs and CPUs vying for the same production lines to make chips for their products. They just can't make these very in demand products fast enough. Scalpers and miners aren't helping, because they will take as much product out of the market as they can, leaving less for normal customers who just want a single product.

People are just going to have to be patient until manufacturing catches up and stock levels normalise.
 
Has amd confirmed any deeper specs for the 6900xt?

Hopefully for the 6900xt they've unlocked the 350w power limit and 2800mhz clock limit??
 
Rezident said:
But then why are there no AIB cards either!? Most likely explanation is low yields, plus COVID which obviously does impact virtually every step in the value chain. It's a perfect storm. In fairness they have done everything right...except stock the shelves. No shortage of demand, good reviews or high prices - but no product.
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I blame the Christmas Elves.
 
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