Its too easy to check if a reflection is faked or proper RT though.
If you move the viewpoint/camera to obscure the reflected object from view then it will disappear from the reflection if it's faked by SSR but will remain if its RT
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Its too easy to check if a reflection is faked or proper RT though.
If you move the viewpoint/camera to obscure the reflected object from view then it will disappear from the reflection if it's faked by SSR but will remain if its RT
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Quake 2 RTX is full path traced
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Very true. And the other is having a panel that's good enough too. I'll be running an LG OLED55BX6LB, 4K120Hz adaptive sync for both teams. I'm struggling to see the need for a monitor of any type now. All those awful backlighting issues go away with OLED. Don't get me wrong they aren't perfect as you are still susceptible to burn in. But all the guys at Digital foundry have been on OLED since 2016 and they are in high standing amongst reviewers with me.
Agreed. It's definitely the future but I can wait until it is full on RT with no fudging or DLSS type technology required for decent framerates. It's a good few years away for what I'd be prepared to pay for it. Give me full resolution 1440p ray tracing(the real thing) at 100fps on a £500 GPU and I'll be there.
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Quake 2 rtx is a nvidia tech demo. This result should be expected NV preforms better
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https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/news/quake-ii-rtx-ray-traced-remaster-out-now-for-free/
Very true. That game clearly shows what happens with an AMD GPU using nvidia blackbox code. As you can see it won't stop it from playing the game it will simply be hampered from playing it well.
Blackbox code?
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Code specifically implemented and designed by nvidia in a game that is either ignored or not discussed but do to obvious information (IE: Nvidia marketing material, etc) it's clear that the game is sponsored by Nvidia. In which specific code is suppose to be open source or standard (IE:MS).
https://www.extremetech.com/gaming/...runs-on-amd-gpus-thanks-to-vulkan-ray-tracing
That certainly isn't what you make it out to be.
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We already know how nvidia plays ball. So that marketed material won't fly. Didn't we just come off a 40+ page thread about nvidia's marketing
Personnally, I am not a fan of NVidia currently but will still see things as they are and you are plain wrong with your "blackbox" statement and NVidia could have ignored AMD if they so wished but chose to help them.We already know how nvidia plays ball. So that marketed material won't fly. Didn't we just come off a 40+ page thread about nvidia's marketing
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Come off it. We know that CB2077 doesn't support AMD GPUs for RT for just that reason. They haven't coded Radeon GPUs yet.
https://www.kitguru.net/components/...tx-supported-games-dont-use-proprietary-tech/
Looks like I had to actually post proof of something we, as a community, should already know. That Quake II RTX is actually a game Nvidia help develop.
However, it's not advantageous to "argue" about it. Quake II RTX uses blackbox code that, at least from you arguing to me about it, is not acknowledge as being something exclusive to Nvidia. In hindsight you simply solidify my point on the subject. For that I thank you.
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Code specifically implemented and designed by nvidia in a game that is either ignored or not discussed but do to obvious information (IE: Nvidia marketing material, etc) it's clear that the game is sponsored by Nvidia. In which specific code is suppose to be open source or standard (IE:MS).
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"They are using the NVidia extension on the Vulkan API as a workaround whilst the official Vulkan extension is being worked on"..... How on earth is that "blackbox" code?Come off it. We know that CB2077 doesn't support AMD GPUs for RT for just that reason. They haven't coded Radeon GPUs yet.
https://www.kitguru.net/components/...tx-supported-games-dont-use-proprietary-tech/
Looks like I had to actually post proof of something we, as a community, should already know. That Quake II RTX is actually a game Nvidia help develop.
However, it's not advantageous to "argue" about it. Quake II RTX uses blackbox code that, at least from you arguing to me about it, is not acknowledge as being something exclusive to Nvidia. In hindsight you simply provided my point on the subject. For that I thank you.
@EastCoastHandle I thought RT was disabled in CP2077 for AMD at their own request because without their equivalent to DLSS, performance is on par with a potato?
Hence the delay until they are ready to release their DLSS equivalent.
Hence the delay until they are ready to release their DLSS equivalent.
The only reason I can think of is increased power consumption and less VRAM.
The 3080s can pull quite a bit over 300W, and some reports of over 400W at times iirc.
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The problem is that even with a 3080 performance is not as good as it should at native resolutions higher the 1080p be as of yet without DLSS which only blurs the image to improve IQ. We are still several generations away before we can buy a budget GPU that can actually ray trace. As it stands right now you need a top of the line GPU. In other words once midrange budget GPUs will need to be able to RT at resolutions higher then 1080p at or above 60fps. At or below $500 before it's not longer a niche. IMO.
Although ambiguous they did not state nor imply what you said. That was simply an opinion based on the statement. However, if read properly it does state they are working with AMD to bring it. Which is what any developer does, usually before releasing a game, to optimize their game code to the GPU/drivers to bring optimal game performance.
This is revealing because DXR was implied to be more of a 'plug n play' kind of thing which is hardly true. Now, what I, and others believe is that nvidia helped develop this game with CD PR from the very start. Usually in such cases with a nvidia sponsored game AMD is locked out from it until after it's been released. Something I read about a while back. Which explains CDPR statement about Radeon.
Since we know how abysmal the console release is. And the fact that CDPR is giving refunds for the lack of attention to the game. Also, they were found to be using old code from Witcher 3 (as CB2077 uses the same Engine...only updated) which isn't optimized for Ryzen CPus, thus causing a bottleneck. It appears that all CDPR did was optimize the game to only work well, enough, for Nvidia.
https://videocardz.com/newz/cd-proj...-promises-to-help-with-cyberpunk-2077-refunds
https://videocardz.com/newz/cyberpunk-2077-gets-fps-boost-with-a-patch-for-amd-ryzen-cpus
The links above show both CDPR apologizing for the bugs and unplayable state of the game for others (offering refunds). And the fact that an update is needed to optimize code for AMD CPUs. That's a huge "tell" right there how the developer cycle went...hint..beings with a 'n'...
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AMD are working on their own DLSS style tech to be able to run RT in games.
Without DLSS, NVidia would run like me (around 4 fps)
Newer games? Dirt 5 is the only one that I can think of as newer as they are hiding RT performance with Cyberpunk. Dirt 5 only uses RT for shadows and even then it's probably RT tech rather than ray tracing the complete shadow. What is interesting about Quake 2 RTX is that it's doing full scene denoised path tracing, where all other titles, with the exception of Minecraft, are using a hybrid approach.
I understand how people can get excited about where Ray Tracing could take us in the future, and how today's RT tech is part of how we get to that future, but I don't understand the excitment with the phase we are in now.
RT tanks performance so bad right now that this point on the RT time line is something to be "endured".
RT tanks performance so bad right now that this point on the RT time line is something to be "endured".
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