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Nah. I believe they are buying them for themselves. On water a 6800xt can hit just north of 27000mhz easy around 50c. And that's oem. Maxing out the oc potential of the card.
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Which is probably why the 3090 FE's hang around the longest, there just isn't any profit in it for the scalpers.
Caseking would beg to differ. They had some of theirs up for 2k sterling the other day and they sold out.
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There's no margin on those numbers, what exactly are they going to make on top of £1.1k? Selling at £1.2k is really not worth the trouble and risk.
They sold something like 40 units, much easier to believe they're being used than resold. Certainly one of them is getting used. *cough*
Caseking own ocuk.
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With the more recent driver update there appears to be a uptick in performance.
You are very nvidia bias though. And you call me bias for being a realist. Your utopia can only happen if we all just buy nvidia. That is the crutch of your entire argument. That is not the market we are in. It's a duopoly shared by AMD/Nvidia and soon Intel. These companies are not your friend. They are not to be cheerlead with pom pom in hands because you believe they have something you favor. They are in it for the money. To profit off of you and to fill the coffers. I do believe that your faith in 'them' is misguided a to say the least.
Ray tracing didn't come from nvidia It was something demonstrated as far back as late 1970's. Ray tracing in games is not the future and no matter how much you think I'm bias in believing that it won't change my opinion. So we can only agree to disagree.
You think 'CB2077' is an example of optimal, next gen ray tracing worthy of ampere? I will tell you, unequivocally, that you are wrong, incorrect and not even close. You have been marketed to believe that it is. And you are also believe that some future gpu is within grasp to "make it better". Which is nothing more than chasing the wind.
Please understand that what we see in that game is something I consider "fake" ray tracing aka 'gaming ray tracing'. As it at best messing around with lighting, shadows, reflections, etc which only manipulates how the game is rasterized. Verses real ray tracing that you see in movies, videos, renders, etc. For example:
Now, do you see the above IQ in CB2077? Of course not. Yet you are parroting the same marketing rubbish that nvidia wants you to believe. At a substantial price premium mind you. This is why I don't believe in it. That's simply a brief example to open your eyes on what you are posting. As developers will never code a game to look like this because it's too costly. They won't code a game the way nvidia wants because it's too costly and it is only locked in with them. Which is why physx failed. Why hairworks failed. Why tessellation failed. See a trend? Which exemplify the definition of insanity.
AMD have the right idea of offering RT as a means to help with development time. Which is actually one of main factors of using it. As I said before, you will barely tell the difference. Dirt 5 is an example of that using shadows. You can't tell the difference but it helped the developer to implement. And it performed well. This is the way. IMO, the only way I see this variant of 'RT' and honestly my opinion won't change. Its not to say we won't see RT in games. The reflections in spiderman miles morales is a good example. However, AMD and console developers will dictate how rt will be used. As they control the narrative, not nvidia.
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In other news OEM 6800xt doing 2700MHz on water. I'm really starting to look at OEM now and just get that block.
Real-time ray-tracing is very slow. This is why I'd agree with you that 100% true ray-traced games are impossible.
What is the performance to render these images? Seconds or minutes to render only 1 frame?
That's probably the only reason why ray-tracing exists in the first place coming from Nvidia - to find a selling point/ reasons against the consumers to increase the pricing and sell the most expensive *80 and *90 cards of each generation.
It is important to talk about how Nvidia dominated the GPU market. Because it's a history lesson. As I stated before they did not dominate the market beating AMD. AMD conceded it. Now they want it back. Therefore it does matter how they are in the position they are in. Because nvidia never hard fought for it with AMD before. And, that dynamic is prevalent in starting in 2020. And nvidia is scared imo.
Therefore capitalism has nothing to do with it as it has always been capitalism for the very start. They did not take advantage of it. And you are forgetting that there is more to AMD portfolio than gpus. In which you confuse the difference between AMD and Nvidia. AMD can sell arm, cpus, apu, gpu, etc. Nvidia bread and butter is mostly gpu based.
You really think because they dominate the gpu market is the only market to be in? Rofl. Again, your post is very anti consumer. Consumers do not care about the company as you do. They care about the price and quality of the product being sold, for example.
With AMD dominating the console market they can, and have, dictate the future of games ported over to the pc. Now that AMD offers an incentive for both gpus and cpus it is the prime time to capitalize on it. Something nvidia can not do, regulators won't approve arm. And they have yet to release their version of SAM. Lying that they had it working. What? A month ago now? Rofl. Its those kind of shinns. that put a smile to my face. Like their epic launch failure: msi scalping consumers, their own webstore exposing user info, capacitor fisco, etc but I digress.
Point is that is the company you want to champion?The one that put all their chips on CDPR that also had a epic launch failure. One if the biggest disasters of all time according to the media. You are posting only in a bubble of your own making.
CB2077 gave Nvidia users a poor gaming experience yet is the poster child for ampere. Although the game has been patch several times already players still risk losing all progression through a save game bug (among other bugs). One of the worst bugs to have in a game. One of which I know can be used as part of a anticheat measure. So paying more for a gpu over console really does demote ray tracing, at a premium for it.
Another failing for ampere.
But you want to know what's so delicious about it? How a developer who favors Nvidia could mimic the same kind of disasterous launch. Intentional? I don't know anything is possible when you are a fan.
NVIDIA CES Special GeForce RTX Event on 12th of January 2021 ... New cards / Resizable BAR support / More RT titles / Major driver release? Who knows, but I'm looking forward to it. Are we championing Nvidia? No, of course not. We are just picking the best cards of the moment, which happen to be from Nvidia.
As far as CP2077 goes, Mostly Positive, 78% of 257,591 reviews on Steam think you have gone full looney tunes. I sense envy here on your part as you missed out. Like most PC users I'm really enjoying the game. First game in a long time that gives so many options in play style, plus with RT on it looks fantastic. In contrast, AMDs sponsored Dirt 5 is at Mixed, 54% of 864 reviews were positive. Want to keep talking about fails?
Looking forward to seeing AMDs performance in CP2077
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You post about an event without the ability to articulate any details as to what they plan to offer. Yet post it up on the fancy like it's sliced bread that was slathered down with honey butter on a hot summer day.NVIDIA CES Special GeForce RTX Event on 12th of January 2021 ... New cards / Resizable BAR support / More RT titles / Major driver release? Who knows, but I'm looking forward to it. Are we championing Nvidia? No, of course not. We are just picking the best cards of the moment, which happen to be from Nvidia.
As far as CP2077 goes, 78% of people who bought the game on Steam think you have gone full looney tunes. I sense envy here on your part as you missed out. Like most PC users I'm really enjoying the game. First game in a long time that gives so many options in play style, plus with RT on it looks fantastic.
Looking forward to seeing AMDs performance in CP2077
While AMD holds the console market you taut about one game, cb2077. A game renowned for it's catastrophic launch, just like nvidia did with ampere. You pioneer the idiocy of nvidia's Ill conceived tactics while you champion segregation in the gaming market as a result from it.
ROLF, this is the game you taut that ampere 'beats AMD' in? I know, lets play "lets finish the game before the save file corrupts". That'll be more satisfying then the game itself. As the new meme of that game is growing to be "the best game I never played".
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You post about an event without the ability to articulate any details as to what they plan to offer. Yet post it up on the fancy like it's sliced bread that was slathered down with honey butter on a hot summer day. What letter from Nvidia is on your shirt?
While AMD holds the console market you taut about one game, cb2077. A game renowned for it's catastrophic launch, just like nvidia did with ampere. You pioneer the idiocy of nvidia's Ill conceived tactics while you champion segregation in the gaming market as a result from it.
ROLF, this is the game you taut that ampere 'beats AMD' in? I know, lets play "lets finish the game before the save file corrupts". That'll be more satisfying then the game itself. As the new meme of that game is growing to be "the best game I never played".
KFC Launches The KFConsole To Take On XBOX And PlayStation- This Is NOT A Joke!
https://wccftech.com/kfc-kfconsole-gaming-launch/
Oh you missed a bit...
As far as CP2077 goes, Mostly Positive, 78% of 257,591 reviews on Steam think you have gone full looney tunes. I sense envy here on your part as you missed out. Like most PC users I'm really enjoying the game. First game in a long time that gives so many options in play style, plus with RT on it looks fantastic. In contrast, AMDs sponsored Dirt 5 is at Mixed, 54% of 864 reviews were positive. Want to keep talking about fails?
Looking forward to seeing AMDs performance in CP2077
Haha they are using Jensen's chips. That should work well with the chicken.
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He posted it thinking it was from AMD too.Haha they are using Jensen's chips. That should work well with the chicken.
RTX On fries your chicken in it's little basket, brilliant!!!!
Ray traced original recipe... rasterized original crispy!!!!
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@EastCoastHandle cba to quote your entire post relating to mine or bother addressing each individual point but
The only thing I am biased towards is increased graphical fidelity. At the present Nvidia is doing better in this regard, by all means AMD can catch up and that will be great, or offer another tech that increases the potential of realism in games. End of the day say 6800XT vs 3080. Trade blows in traditional rasterisation. Brilliant, it promotes competition, competitive pricing (at least when stock is available, how you consider the Ampere launch terrible when AMD offered even less cards I don't know, Bias is the only explanation).
But I want to see new technologies that increase overall graphical fidelity. It's very strange with the anti-RT/Nvidia crowd. I could point out Digital Foundry's latest video on the RT in CP and people will say they are biased (despite the several other videos they have done on CP and this one just being specifically for RT). Then you have the 'it's barely noticeable' completely counteracted with the 'they just add stupid reflections etc to stand out'. I want to see more realistic game world's presented. Any new tech, and the current one showing promise being RT that add's to this is great in my book. Whether it be from NV or AMD, I don't care. Just push things.
On top of that you have the 'barely noticeable RT, I don't look at things that closely whilst i'm actually playing the game' vs the 'look at the these tiny details that DLSS gets wrong in their upscaling, lol not native res who cares about the massive FPS gains'.
No-one can win against fanboys/shills/close minded people if they just want to see graphics tech increase.
End point. At RRP 6800XT £600 vs £650 3080FE. Trade blows in Rasterisation but with AMD, for the moment bad RT and no DLSS alternative. So for £50 more you get comparable Raster and the option for RT with DLSS if you want to play at highest graphical fidelity in games that don't require supreme FPS.
Nvidia started the RT trend but AMD have happily gone along with it. This 1080Ti is the first Nvidia card I have owned in about 10 years all AMD previously, R290, 7850, 7950/dual 7950, 480 and now a 1080Ti whilst running a 1st gen Ryzen CPU. Biased my ***.
The only thing I am biased towards is increased graphical fidelity. At the present Nvidia is doing better in this regard, by all means AMD can catch up and that will be great, or offer another tech that increases the potential of realism in games. End of the day say 6800XT vs 3080. Trade blows in traditional rasterisation. Brilliant, it promotes competition, competitive pricing (at least when stock is available, how you consider the Ampere launch terrible when AMD offered even less cards I don't know, Bias is the only explanation).
But I want to see new technologies that increase overall graphical fidelity. It's very strange with the anti-RT/Nvidia crowd. I could point out Digital Foundry's latest video on the RT in CP and people will say they are biased (despite the several other videos they have done on CP and this one just being specifically for RT). Then you have the 'it's barely noticeable' completely counteracted with the 'they just add stupid reflections etc to stand out'. I want to see more realistic game world's presented. Any new tech, and the current one showing promise being RT that add's to this is great in my book. Whether it be from NV or AMD, I don't care. Just push things.
On top of that you have the 'barely noticeable RT, I don't look at things that closely whilst i'm actually playing the game' vs the 'look at the these tiny details that DLSS gets wrong in their upscaling, lol not native res who cares about the massive FPS gains'.
No-one can win against fanboys/shills/close minded people if they just want to see graphics tech increase.
End point. At RRP 6800XT £600 vs £650 3080FE. Trade blows in Rasterisation but with AMD, for the moment bad RT and no DLSS alternative. So for £50 more you get comparable Raster and the option for RT with DLSS if you want to play at highest graphical fidelity in games that don't require supreme FPS.
Nvidia started the RT trend but AMD have happily gone along with it. This 1080Ti is the first Nvidia card I have owned in about 10 years all AMD previously, R290, 7850, 7950/dual 7950, 480 and now a 1080Ti whilst running a 1st gen Ryzen CPU. Biased my ***.
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It is important to talk about how Nvidia dominated the GPU market. Because it's a history lesson. As I stated before they did not dominate the market beating AMD. AMD conceded it. Now they want it back. Therefore it does matter how they are in the position they are in. Because nvidia never hard fought for it with AMD before. And, that dynamic is prevalent in starting in 2020. And nvidia is scared imo.
Therefore capitalism has nothing to do with it as it has always been capitalism for the very start. They did not take advantage of it. And you are forgetting that there is more to AMD portfolio than gpus. In which you confuse the difference between AMD and Nvidia. AMD can sell arm, cpus, apu, gpu, etc. Nvidia bread and butter is mostly gpu based.
You really think because they dominate the gpu market is the only market to be in? Rofl. Again, your post is very anti consumer. Consumers do not care about the company as you do. They care about the price and quality of the product being sold, for example.
With AMD dominating the console market they can, and have, dictate the future of games ported over to the pc. Now that AMD offers an incentive for both gpus and cpus it is the prime time to capitalize on it. Something nvidia can not do, regulators won't approve arm. And they have yet to release their version of SAM. Lying that they had it working. What? A month ago now? Rofl
Point is that is the company you want to champion?
CB2077 gave Nvidia users a poor gaming experience yet is the poster child for ampere. Although the game has been patch several times already players still risk losing all progression through a save game bug (among other bugs). One of the worst bugs to have in a game. One of which I know can be used as part of a anticheat measure. So paying more for a gpu over console really does demote ray tracing, at a premium for it.
Another failing for ampere.
But you want to know what's so delicious about it? How a developer who favors Nvidia could mimic the same kind of disasterous launch. Intentional? I don't know anything is possible when you are a fan.
Like I stated before, you are nvidia bias and you will culture your response that aligns to what you believe nvidia offers. I don't see anything you've posted as independent nor as a consumer.
You claim fidelity from a game that is blacklisted from Sony, being sued by investors,refunded by consumers and is full of bugs. And yet you still keep perpetuating post(s) that ignores the horrendous state the game is focus only on ray tracing. News flash, no one will care about RT if the game is such a disaster.
Right now all we have is rasterized games. At some future point, if rt is used, they are still rasterized games. Again, something you've posted around complicatedly about feigning it as "increased graphical fidelity". Give me a break...that pure gibberish.
There is no such thing as "wanting to see new technologies" that is such a nebulous statement it can only infer to your love for RTX. Then refer to an influencer, DF, stating in the same breath how bias towards nvidia they are. I honestly can't take you serious at this point.
Let me point you back to another post, since you weren't courageous enough to quote my reply to you: https://www.overclockers.co.uk/forums/goto/post?id=34373304#post-34373304
In that post you will actually see what real ray tracing is. How it looks and why we won't see it in games. Those photos alone debunk and completely refute what you define as "increased graphics fidelity". It refutes your view of "new technologies". And it curbs your enthusiasm as to what ray tracing really is and how it impacts a scene that you won't find in CB2077...or any other rasterized game for that matter.
Now that I've proved a bit of prospective of why I don't see any future to real ray tracing in games...as it's fake at best. I agree whole heartedly that "No-one can win against fanboys/shills/close minded people..."
As it stands now rasterized games are here to stay...well...when the game actually works correctly, ROFL. It remains my opinion there is no future of rt as you imply. And as I posted once already the best that RT will ever gain is the ability to decrease time developing games with very little difference in the rasterized look of the game.
I'll also add that nvidia is not your friend. If you are a consumer of their products they would only identify you based on serial number of the product. That's your identity to them. Therefore, try to be a bit more consumer friendly. We don't have any agenda to label you.
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