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The thread which sometimes talks about RDNA2

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Dontrocktheboat said:
Albrecht Dürer who invented raytracing was probably a Nvidia shill. :D

Shilling around, trolling in 16century BC. How dare he invent raytracing....
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Gerard said:
And stuffing your head in the sand to the fact that rt enabled games are a tiny fraction of the market currently isn't going to make that go away either. It has a future obviously but that's the future, not the here and now. By the time even a few percent of games make use of it the 30 series and 68 series will be getting used as paperweights and doorstops.
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To say that RT performance is irrelevant now because there is not many games using it (although last time I checked most recently released triple A titles had it) is like saying 16GB of vram is irrelevant as there’s hardly any game using it.
 
nvidiamd said:
Heavy RT games have no future in the next 3-4 years but they might be used by Nvidia to promote their new products. I can see Jensen telling his friends (3090 owners) that it is time for them to upgrade to the 4000 series because a new AAA game will be launched and 3090 won't be enough to play it at 4k ultra. It is how he sell his new cards and good for him. But discrete RT will be used a lot in the future since consoles are able to do that.


If you can afford it i have nothing against buying every new card. But that game is bad right now it is very far from a AAA title if we don't count the graphics. I am used to play games with bad graphics and i don't mind running CP with very low settings. But i don't like the game it is pretty bad right now. It has potential but there are so many things to improve with the physics and AI, it will take a while before it will be a pleasant experience for me.
Again if you like it, then good for you. But don't laugh at console owners because they paid far less money for their hardware and it is expected to have lower settings in games. But if we compare the level of optimization vs price of hardware, the console owners are far ahead, they get a lot more for their money than the PC owners. I can guarantee that when next gen Control will launch on consoles you will be surprised how good it looks. And the same with CP if they ever manage to launch the next gen on consoles.
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The problem you have here is that your on a PC enthusiast forum saying no to great developments in PC graphics. Why you have such a hatred for Nvidia and everything they touch is beyond me. But here you are spreading hate without realising the whole industry is moving towards RT.

I don't laugh at console owners. They pay less for the hardware and then often pay more for a poorer experience. I don't see how I'm going to be suprised with anything on consoles given RDNA2 is proving to be up to 50% worse at RT on PC and that consoles have far less silicon. I'm sure I've already said on here that Spiderman looks good for a console, but I'm not surprised as it's supposed to be next gen. I would have stuck with the 1080Ti If that was the level of RT that Nvidia was offering.
 
z10m said:
To say that RT performance is irrelevant now because there is not many games using it (although last time I checked most recently released triple A titles had it) is like saying 16GB of vram is irrelevant as there’s hardly any game using it.
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Quite true, but going back a few months I was in the other camp. About three had it and the other two were like minecraft and revisits to old engines. Its a nice to have option but needs far more titles to offer it, which is slowly growing.. :)
 
nvidiamd said:
We can talk as much as we want but the reality is Nvidia is dominating the PC market. Even if i am not the biggest fan of Nvidia, i admit they did a pretty good job selling their video cards. It does not matter how they did that, this is capitalism and the end justifies the means. If you are Apple and you can convince enough fools that they need to buy the new products every time to be part of an elite, you are succesful. If you are Nvidia and you can convince enough fools that they need to buy your latest products every time, you are succesful. I will say that if you are AMD and you can convince enough fools that they need to pay up to $1200 for your products just because you care more about costumers than Nvidia or Intel, you are also succesful. :)
With Nvidia dominating the PC market there is not too much AMD can do. Because unlike Intel, Nvidia are very good at selling their products, they always manage to create enough hype at launch and they always manage to sell far more cards than AMD.
The fact that AMD have their own hardware in consoles matters but just like game developers need to optimize their games to run well on consoles if they want to make a ton of money in that market, they also need to optimize their games to run well on Nvidia cards if they want to make a ton of money in the PC market. As long as AMD does not have a big market share in the PC market, all game developers will optimize their games to work well on Nvidia cards. And they won't get a bigger marketshare without a fight, without aggressive prices, better software and support for game devs and sponsoring AAA games. I don't see a bright future for AMD tbh, i think nothing will change in the coming years. I won't fall into Nvidia trap but i am sure they will keep selling a lot more cards than AMD.
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It is important to talk about how Nvidia dominated the GPU market. Because it's a history lesson. As I stated before they did not dominate the market beating AMD. AMD conceded it. Now they want it back. Therefore it does matter how they are in the position they are in. Because nvidia never hard fought for it with AMD before. And, that dynamic is prevalent in starting in 2020. And nvidia is scared imo.

Therefore capitalism has nothing to do with it as it has always been capitalism for the very start. They did not take advantage of it. And you are forgetting that there is more to AMD portfolio than gpus. In which you confuse the difference between AMD and Nvidia. AMD can sell arm, cpus, apu, gpu, etc. Nvidia bread and butter is mostly gpu based.

You really think because they dominate the gpu market is the only market to be in? Rofl. Again, your post is very anti consumer. Consumers do not care about the company as you do. They care about the price and quality of the product being sold, for example.

With AMD dominating the console market they can, and have, dictate the future of games ported over to the pc. Now that AMD offers an incentive for both gpus and cpus it is the prime time to capitalize on it. Something nvidia can not do, regulators won't approve arm. And they have yet to release their version of SAM. Lying that they had it working. What? A month ago now? Rofl :D. Its those kind of shinns. that put a smile to my face. Like their epic launch failure: msi scalping consumers, their own webstore exposing user info, capacitor fisco, etc but I digress.

Point is that is the company you want to champion? :eek: The one that put all their chips on CDPR that also had a epic launch failure. One if the biggest disasters of all time according to the media. You are posting only in a bubble of your own making.

CB2077 gave Nvidia users a poor gaming experience yet is the poster child for ampere. Although the game has been patch several times already players still risk losing all progression through a save game bug (among other bugs). One of the worst bugs to have in a game. One of which I know can be used as part of a anticheat measure. So paying more for a gpu over console really does demote ray tracing, at a premium for it.

Another failing for ampere.

But you want to know what's so delicious about it? How a developer who favors Nvidia could mimic the same kind of disasterous launch. Intentional? I don't know anything is possible when you are a fan.
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FoxEye said:
Mental. Who is buying them at those prices??! Can't be us regular gamers.
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People desperate for a gpu it would seem, same with caseking flogging the 3090 for near 2 grand and they still sell out. Just baffling.

There's 3090's in stock elsewhere for £1640-£1700.
 
Gerard said:
Because they're stupid prices for gpu's regardless of brand.
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I agree but why do we think only Nvidia has rich fans? I won't call them stupid maybe that price is not a big deal for them. Maybe there are enough people willing to pay a lot of money to have the top card from AMD in their PC's.
 
nvidiamd said:
I agree but why do we think only Nvidia has rich fans? I won't call them stupid maybe that price is not a big deal for them. Maybe there are enough people willing to pay a lot of money to have the top card from AMD in their PC's.
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Or people buying them in an attempt to scalp them more likely.
 
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