The thread which sometimes talks about RDNA2

[montymint]

Sadly that is what the Nvidia trolls wanted to happen. To distract from RDNA and focus solely on Nvidia fanboy favourites like DLSS and RT. Maybe another thread for that type of stuff should have created rather than bow to the trolls and totally remove the RDNA from the title. Majority of the thread was to do with RDNA yet now it's been buried. Off topic drivel should be removed normally.

Should I start trolling Nvidia threads in an attempt to divert from the topic title?

There are already threads on:

1. Cyberpunk
2. Cyberpunk performance
3. RT & DLSS
4. Nvidia

But the trolls can't help themselves.

 

[stooeh]

It seemed to spread to here from the cyberpunk thread

 

[K1LaW8tt5]

It's sad really the same people posting in here for weeks repeating the same nonsense. The ampere thread is 4 or 5 pages back. The dedicated ray tracing thread disappeared and nobody seemed concerned to actually post how good/bad cyberpunk is in the cyberpunk performance thread.

 

[Wrinkly]

You have a great time thanks to AI upscaling performance, not RT performance.

I'm sure I've said this many times before, but people keep blanking it out. Quake 2 RTX runs >60FPS at 1440p without DLSS. In hybrid titles such as CP2077 DLSS allows me to play 45 - capped 60FPS at 1440p otherwise I'd be playing at the same FPS at 1080p. Which goes to show how well the 3 technologies come together in Ampere.

DLSS 2 Quality on I get less shimmer on pixel fine detail, which is to be expected given it's design. I don't notice any loss of IQ. With it set to off I get less FPS. It's not something you have to think about now.

It will be interesting to see your comments if/when AMD gets it's act together.

 

[Wrinkly]

Sadly that is what the Nvidia trolls wanted to happen. To distract from RDNA and focus solely on Nvidia fanboy favourites like DLSS and RT. Maybe another thread for that type of stuff should have created rather than bow to the trolls and totally remove the RDNA from the title. Majority of the thread was to do with RDNA yet now it's been buried. Off topic drivel should be removed normally.

Should I start trolling Nvidia threads in an attempt to divert from the topic title?

Please, feel free to enlighten us on the new developments concerning RDNA/RDNA2. By all means post detail countering the performance of competing cards as this is what the GPU section is for.

Remember people may visit these forums to seek help purchasing a product. They should be able to see the differences between products.

 

[fs123]

I'm gonna start reporting all DLSS posts in here. offtopic since it should be discussed in a DLSS or Nvidia or Cyberpunk thread.

 

[fs123]

Please, feel free to enlighten us on the new developments concerning RDNA/RDNA2. By all means post detail countering the performance of competing cards as this is what the GPU section is for.

Remember people may visit these forums to seek help purchasing a product. They should be able to see the differences between products.

If there is no RDNA news to discuss does not mean you should be trolling here with DLSS or Cyberpunk nonsense. Let the thread disappear if there is no news.

 

[Poneros]

Bit disappointed with WD:L & RT in the end, dunno who to blame but I guess it doesn't matter, game is so crash prone if you turn on RT it basically makes it unplayable, and ofc the fps isn't great. Granted, game was hard to (re-)play after coming to it from Cyberpunk but man, it's just such a shame their engine so poorly utilises the AMD gpus (lower than avg power usage). Glad I finished it at launch, I would've been a lot more sour about the experience otherwise. Even weirder is that with an RX 6800 the game really falls apart performance-wise in DX11 even though I played it with a 480 all the way through and it was fine. DX12 it runs like it should on RDNA 2 but it's more crash prone.

Bet you Ubisoft won't even bother fixing it. "Runs at 30 fps? Great, next!"

 

[4K8KW10]

I bet Nvidia put something fishy in CP too. They are not only targeting AMD cards but also their old cards.

Quite possible.

You don't understand that is another useless benchmark sponsored by Nvidia for marketing purposes. Why would AMD focus on extreme tessellation since it is a resource hog ( just like RT ) and it will be used only on Nvidia sponsored titles?

What's Nvidia's point in introducing resource intense features and then rendering at lower than native resolutions in order to compensate for the large performance hit?
Double calculations for doubtful image quality improvements.

Is there any standard for the PC games rendering which states than any upscaling is effectively cheating?

 

[Wrinkly]

If there is no RDNA news to discuss does not mean you should be trolling here with DLSS or Cyberpunk nonsense. Let the thread disappear if there is no news.

Discussing RT and AI is not trolling. This is the GPU forum. Indeed I came to this thread initially to find RDNA2 RT performance while I waited on my 3080 since it was launched first. I wanted to know If RDNA2 was going to be competitive with the intention of canceling my 3080 before it arrived. I feel certain members came to troll Nvidia's performance in RT that brought the CP2077 discussion here due to AMDs lack of support. BTW. How are AMD getting on with RT in CP2077 or support for ML super sampling?, or should we not discuss that either? Should we pick thread mods to post any new positive information, while also safely ingoring any negative details such as it not being ready yet?

What about people looking to purchase hardware? Should they not be made aware of the lack of performance/support for the newest tech in the largest title in memory, or that competing tech is not yet available with RDNA2?

I'm sure AMD would love buyers to ignore RT and DLSS.

 

[EastCoastHandle]

Discussing RT and AI is not trolling. This is the GPU forum. Indeed I came to this thread initially to find RDNA2 RT performance while I waited on my 3080 since it was launched first. I wanted to know If RDNA2 was going to be competitive with the intention of canceling my 3080 before it arrived. I feel certain members came to troll Nvidia's performance in RT that brought the CP2077 discussion here due to AMDs lack of support. BTW. How are AMD getting on with RT in CP2077 or support for ML super sampling?, or should we not discuss that either? Should we pick thread mods to post any new positive information, while also safely ingoring any negative details such as it not being ready yet?

What about people looking to purchase hardware? Should they not be made aware of the lack of performance/support for the newest tech in the largest title in memory, or that competing tech is not yet available with RDNA2?

I'm sure AMD would love buyers to ignore RT and DLSS.

Apparently it's clear that you are no authority on the subject. That bug written game doesn't even support DirectX 12 ultimate. Which leaves out very important optimizations that would help performance. I posted about it once before.
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/forums/posts/34344106/

Now I am reading that 'Pierre' is faster if you disable asynchronous compute. LOL I thought they fixed that since Maxwell. And I'm supposed to be impressed that ampere is better?

Apparently, the gpu cannot do rt and dx12 ultimate without some sort problem. As the game doesn't use variable rate shading, mesh shading, Etc..

If you really want to talk that your card is better then I suggest that you do a little bit of research and get your facts straight. Lol


These are the features that are found in console ported games. Which AMD excels in. There's a bit more to how games are develop then shoehorning rasterize ray tracing into a game.

 

[xcx xcxvgyt]

After i'm done with cyberpunk i maxed out every graphics options at 4k with my 6800xt. (no rt of course) I can clearly say it's the best looking game ever. Far better than any other one. Getting 25 to 30 fps at urban area. At 2k around 65-70 fps.

What a beautiful cloth textures npcs have. Almost looks like real life.

 

[Jimmy Weirdarms]

BTW. How are AMD getting on with RT in CP2077 or support for ML super sampling?, or should we not discuss that either?

Personally I'd like the answers to those questions, or discussion around them. Both are really interesting technologies and (if the cards were available at all) I'd be very interested in buying a 68/6900XT, at least in part because of the hackintosh possibilities. With ML supersampling that becomes even more appealing, however AFAICT that's not been delivered yet, and from what I can tell the AMD RT performance is on a par with the 3070/2080Ti rather than new nv top end. That's a trade-off to think about, IMHO.

But the fanboys in the thread will tell you that AI super-sampling is a worthless cheat and that RT is a scam. Evil nvidia plots to lie about performance or push unwanted shinies on poor unsuspecting gamers.

 

[EastCoastHandle]

Personally I'd like the answers to those questions, or discussion around them. Both are really interesting technologies and (if the cards were available at all) I'd be very interested in buying a 68/6900XT, at least in part because of the hackintosh possibilities. With ML supersampling that becomes even more appealing, however AFAICT that's not been delivered yet, and from what I can tell the AMD RT performance is on a par with the 3070/2080Ti rather than new nv top end. That's a trade-off to think about, IMHO.

But the fanboys in the thread will tell you that AI super-sampling is a worthless cheat and that RT is a scam. Evil nvidia plots to lie about performance or push unwanted shinies on poor unsuspecting gamers.

I would like to know why ampere can't do Rt and dx12 ultimate in cb2077? But the cheerleaders only want to talk about just rt. While AMD demonstrates no problem with dx12U in games like dirt 5.

There is no support for variable rate shading, mesh shaders, or sample feedback. Yet uses only rt. That indeed raises an eyebrow. I certainly would research that if I was interested in 'Pierre'.

 

[Chuk_Chuk]

BTW. How are AMD getting on with RT in CP2077 or support for ML super sampling?,

Are you expecting daily blog post or something from AMD? or are you just trolling?

Discussing RT and AI is not trolling. This is the GPU forum. Indeed I came to this thread initially to find RDNA2 RT performance while I waited on my 3080 since it was launched first. I wanted to know If RDNA2 was going to be competitive with the intention of canceling my 3080 before it arrived..

I can't quite put my finger on it but i just don't believe you.

 

[Blackjack Davy]

Discussing RT and AI is not trolling. This is the GPU forum. Indeed I came to this thread initially to find RDNA2 RT performance while I waited on my 3080 since it was launched first.

So make your own thread for that because its off topic in this one.

 

[Wrinkly]

Apparently it's clear that you are no authority on the subject. That bug written game doesn't even support DirectX 12 ultimate. Which leaves out very important optimizations that would help performance. I posted about it once before.
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/forums/posts/34344106/

Now I am reading that 'Pierre' is faster if you disable asynchronous compute. LOL I thought they fixed that since Maxwell. And I'm supposed to be impressed that ampere is better?

Apparently, the gpu cannot do rt and dx12 ultimate without some sort problem. As the game doesn't use variable rate shading, mesh shading, Etc..

If you really want to talk that your card is better then I suggest that you do a little bit of research and get your facts straight. Lol


These are the features that are found in console ported games. Which AMD excels in. There's a bit more to how games are develop then shoehorning rasterize ray tracing into a game.

Here we go again, consoles on a PC forum, really?

I would like to know why ampere can't do Rt and dx12 ultimate in cb2077? But the cheerleaders only want to talk about just rt. While AMD demonstrates no problem with dx12U in games like dirt 5.

There is no support for variable rate shading, mesh shaders, or sample feedback. Yet uses only rt. That indeed raises an eyebrow. I certainly would research that if I was interested in 'Pierre'.

So people are saying that CP2077 shouldn't be discussed here, yet here you are again bringing up CP2077? I have no problems running RT maxed out on my 3080. Why can't I turn RT on in CP2077 when I can on other games such as ROTT and Metro Exodus?

So make your own thread for that because its off topic in this one.

Maybe you need to read some of the detail within the thread as AMD are promoting RNDA2 as having hardware support for both RT and Direct ML.

Are you expecting daily blog post or something from AMD? or are you just trolling?



I can't quite put my finger on it but i just don't believe you.

I'm expecting some info on RDNA2. Trolling? Really? I should care whether or not you believe me?

 

[LtMatt]

Love the thread title updates over the past couple of days. Very Apt.

 

[Chuk_Chuk]

I'm expecting some info on RDNA2. Trolling? Really? I should care whether or not you believe me?

You didn't actually answer the question, so trolling it is.

 

[Gerard]