The thread which sometimes talks about RDNA2

[Dontrocktheboat]

You also have another option - to play games with classic lighting - or to switch off ray-tracing - not the Nvidia special editions which turn off the classic lighting and ask you $1500 for the RTX 3090 so you get that lighting back with a normal framerate.

what are you talking about? lol AMD still struggles to do tessellation for god sake.

 

[Gregster]

How many games use ray-tracing? If you’re buying a GPU for ray-tracing at this point, then you’ve either been brainwashed by nVidia marketing or your an nVidia fanboy.

I assume I was brainwashed back in the 90's, as that was the first time I saw RT on an Amiga and I jumped on a 2080Ti straight away to get to use it.

 

[4K8KW10]

what are you talking about? lol AMD still struggles to do tessellation for god sake.

Yeah, like the cheating in Crysis 2:

"Using an AMD tool called GPU PerfStudio, it's possible to see which objects and surfaces have been tessellated and where the GPU is spending the bulk of its rendering time. We recommend reading the entire article, but there's compelling evidence that certain surfaces in Crysis 2--like concrete blocks--are rendered in extremely high detail, even when there's no visual improvement to doing so.

Water is another issue. At present, there are multiple game areas where water is only visible in one small area or isn't visible at all. Despite this, the game is still rendering (and tessellating) an invisible ocean underneath the player's feet."
In-depth Analysis of DX11 Crysis Shows Highly Questionable Tessellation Usage (hothardware.com)

 

[nvidiamd]

Any decent LN2 overclocker will have a modded board with far more power going through it.

Maybe but i was talking about the ordinary users. You can put your 6800xt MBA card on water and get 2.75Ghz at decent temperatures. And you will get a decent performance increase in many games. You put the 6900xt MBA on water and you'll have trouble reaching 2.75 Ghz because there isn't enough power for the card. The limit is 3Ghz but the MBA card and some AIB's run out of juice long before they can reach 3 Ghz.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

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@CAT-THE-FIFTH Spot on

Checked in here, hard to spot the quality with the tit for tat bickering, great thread title now though!

So Nvidia trolls have managed to get the title of the only RDNA discussion thread changed. What a farce.

I changed it because it seems to be anything other than RDNA2 discussion now. I wish another one is started and it actually stays closer to topic. All it is people criticising Cyberpunk 2077(when there is a thread for it),and then some others jumping into defend the honour of CDPR and their own hardware purchases for the game,meaning any pertinent hardware news gets buried under a ton of bickering.

It will change back once it goes back to RDNA2 discussion. If not the description is accurate!

 

[nvidiamd]

Yeah, like the cheating in Crysis 2:

"Using an AMD tool called GPU PerfStudio, it's possible to see which objects and surfaces have been tessellated and where the GPU is spending the bulk of its rendering time. We recommend reading the entire article, but there's compelling evidence that certain surfaces in Crysis 2--like concrete blocks--are rendered in extremely high detail, even when there's no visual improvement to doing so.

Water is another issue. At present, there are multiple game areas where water is only visible in one small area or isn't visible at all. Despite this, the game is still rendering (and tessellating) an invisible ocean underneath the player's feet."
In-depth Analysis of DX11 Crysis Shows Highly Questionable Tessellation Usage (hothardware.com)

I bet Nvidia put something fishy in CP too. They are not only targeting AMD cards but also their old cards.

 

[4K8KW10]

I changed it because it seems to be anything other than RDNA2 discussion now. I wish another one is started and it actually stays closer to topic.

It will change back once it goes back to RDNA2 discussion.

I hope that you don't have information that Navi 2X launches and corresponding launch events are all screwed and we will not see any cards in the foreseeable future

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I hope that you don't have information that Navi 2X launches and corresponding launch events are all screwed and we will not see any cards in the foreseeable future

We will see,but I might add it to one of the other threads if we see any updates.

 

[Gregster]

Maybe but i was talking about the ordinary users. You can put your 6800xt MBA card on water and get 2.75Ghz at decent temperatures. And you will get a decent performance increase in many games. You put the 6900xt MBA on water and you'll have trouble reaching 2.75 Ghz because there isn't enough power for the card. The limit is 3Ghz but the MBA card and some AIB's run out of juice long before they can reach 3 Ghz.

Yea, back in the day I used to do a bit of overclocking and was always limited by power and volts. Hard modding was the only way to go further but I had no wish to lose my warranty, so not happening for me.

 

[Dontrocktheboat]

Yeah, like the cheating in Crysis 2:

"Using an AMD tool called GPU PerfStudio, it's possible to see which objects and surfaces have been tessellated and where the GPU is spending the bulk of its rendering time. We recommend reading the entire article, but there's compelling evidence that certain surfaces in Crysis 2--like concrete blocks--are rendered in extremely high detail, even when there's no visual improvement to doing so.

Water is another issue. At present, there are multiple game areas where water is only visible in one small area or isn't visible at all. Despite this, the game is still rendering (and tessellating) an invisible ocean underneath the player's feet."
In-depth Analysis of DX11 Crysis Shows Highly Questionable Tessellation Usage (hothardware.com)

Crysis2???? fishing to support a stupid theory.

There's not need.

Just look at Heaven 4 benchmark, something that's been around for 8 years, 6800series still struggles with tessellation.

Tessellation...ffs..7 years later after its introduction, AMD is still struggling, what hope is there for RT.

 

[Phixsator]

I am buying GPU on a PC for the best IQ, and I am playing 4 RT titles and 3 no RT titles atm.

RT is the next phase of gaming, and will become as common as AA in future titles. Now you need to deal with that fact, or go buy a console.
Or go play Valhalla console port at 1080p

That's all well and good but what the * is the point with RT when the current GPU lineup from either team is rather lackluster in the performance department?

 

[nvidiamd]

Crysis2???? fishing to support a stupid theory.

There's not need.

Just look at Heaven 4 benchmark, something that's been around for 8 years, 6800series still struggles with tessellation.

Tessellation...ffs..7 years later after its introduction, AMD is still struggling, what hope is there for RT.

You don't understand that is another useless benchmark sponsored by Nvidia for marketing purposes. Why would AMD focus on extreme tessellation since it is a resource hog ( just like RT ) and it will be used only on Nvidia sponsored titles?

 

[Wrinkly]

That's all well and good but what the * is the point with RT when the current GPU lineup from either team is rather lackluster in the performance department?

Lackluster? I'm having a great time with RT using an undervolted 3080 installed along side an ancient 3770k and DDR3 memory at 1440p.

 

[nvidiamd]

Lackluster? I'm having a great time with RT using an undervolted 3080 installed along side an ancient 3770k and DDR3 memory at 1440p.

You have a great time thanks to AI upscaling performance, not RT performance.

 

[Phixsator]

Lackluster? I'm having a great time with RT using an undervolted 3080 installed along side an ancient 3770k and DDR3 memory at 1440p.

I'm not interested in consol kind of FPS. Considering the major bottleneck due to your CPU I'm guessing it doesn't bother you much though which is all fine and dandy but personally I'm not much interested in a feature only available at the top offerings while performance is equal to that of what should be a mid/lower mid tier GPU. Until RT can be run at 60fps minimum from a mid-tier GPU(without cheating using DLSS or res scaling) I'm just not interested. I'm sitting here with an RTX 3070 and RT could just as well be a disabled feature on this card for all I care cause it runs absolutely awful.

 

[gpuerrilla]

A friend messaged one of my whatsapp groups who got CP over xmas on his PS4. I asked him how his visuals were and he wasnt too pleased! Something along the lines of after making witcher how can seven years of work be so bad. At least the PC players can tinker with the settings and try make it look/run better!

I'm sitting here with an RTX 3070 and RT could just as well be a disabled feature on this card for all I care cause it runs absolutely awful.

I always posted earlier in the year on this forum that going back to the 20 series RT was wasted on the lower stack. If anyone buys a x060/70 card for ray tracing they will only be disappointed. Even then the top tier cards struggle.

Will be interested when the radeon cards can show their hands to see which cards they offer are even worth having the feature there for it.

 

[Gregster]

A friend messaged one of my whatsapp groups who got CP over xmas on his PS4. I asked him how his visuals were and he wasnt too pleased! Something along the lines of after making witcher how can seven years of work be so bad. At least the PC players can tinker with the settings and try make it look/run better!



I always posted earlier in the year on this forum that going back to the 20 series RT was wasted on the lower stack. If anyone buys a x060/70 card for ray tracing they will only be disappointed. Even then the top tier cards struggle.

Will be interested when the radeon cards can show their hands to see which cards they offer are even worth having the feature there for it.

Yea, a guy I work with got his money back from his PS4 purchase and said it would crash and looked horrible lol.

As for AMD and RT, I look forward to when they have their DLSS equivalent to be able to run it, as I am genuinely impressed with it and sure when others see it first hand, they will also give a nod to it. I understand that the performance hit is painful to some (me included) but I can quite happily play CP2077 at 45 fps.

 

[fs123]

I changed it because it seems to be anything other than RDNA2 discussion now. I wish another one is started and it actually stays closer to topic. All it is people criticising Cyberpunk 2077(when there is a thread for it),and then some others jumping into defend the honour of CDPR and their own hardware purchases for the game,meaning any pertinent hardware news gets buried under a ton of bickering.

It will change back once it goes back to RDNA2 discussion. If not the description is accurate!

Sadly that is what the Nvidia trolls wanted to happen. To distract from RDNA and focus solely on Nvidia fanboy favourites like DLSS and RT. Maybe another thread for that type of stuff should have created rather than bow to the trolls and totally remove the RDNA from the title. Majority of the thread was to do with RDNA yet now it's been buried. Off topic drivel should be removed normally.

Should I start trolling Nvidia threads in an attempt to divert from the topic title?

 

[Wrinkly]

I'm not interested in consol kind of FPS. Considering the major bottleneck due to your CPU I'm guessing it doesn't bother you much though which is all fine and dandy but personally I'm not much interested in a feature only available at the top offerings while performance is equal to that of what should be a mid/lower mid tier GPU. Until RT can be run at 60fps minimum from a mid-tier GPU(without cheating using DLSS or res scaling) I'm just not interested. I'm sitting here with an RTX 3070 and RT could just as well be a disabled feature on this card for all I care cause it runs absolutely awful.

Well I don't make a living from playing competitive games thus at 1440p with an ancient 3070k, 45 - capped 60 FPS in CP2077 is great, capped 60 in other RT titles is also great. I would have thought a 3070 would be able to manage 1080p at least?

You should get used to AI upscaling as it won't just be used for IQ and FPS. It will also have a role in distribution and storage.

BTW there are some decent Youtube videos showing the 3060Ti doing well with RT maxed in CP2077.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Sadly that is what the Nvidia trolls wanted to happen. To distract from RDNA and focus solely on Nvidia fanboy favourites like DLSS and RT. Maybe another thread for that type of stuff should have created rather than bow to the trolls and totally remove the RDNA from the title. Majority of the thread was to do with RDNA yet now it's been buried. Off topic drivel should be removed normally.

Should I start trolling Nvidia threads in an attempt to divert from the topic title?

The mods need to act on this really,but unless they do its better to start another RDNA2 thread,and not react to any potential trolling IMHO.

Also there are plenty of threads already talking about those other things. They are not interested in them,so not much I can do TBF.