'The Union'

Ahleckz said:
Why?
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Well a society which has the nostalgia of three centuries of political bull, was never going to last.

I just propose that a new union be written up, whether people want to deny it, the past does linger and there's no rational reason to continue this silly argument about independence of one nation constantly.

A union built on independence (as silly as it sounds) would be a the best outcome.

Unfortunately people don't seem to like change unless its conveniently easy to deal with.

Devolution is tainted and never going to work efficiently.

Flat out independence is just silly and erratic for both sides.

I simply see no other way than to destroy and recreate.
 
arknor said:
anti scotish for beeing realistic?

pound is weak enough without an independent scotland lowering its value.
part of the uk debt belongs to you.
we dont want glasgow.
if you want an army pay for its upkeep your self..

how about england leaves the UK and all the debt can goto the rest of you who remain in it? sounds like a good deal , well throw in liverpool to sweaten the deal
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What are you smoking? As an Englishman by birth but having lived in Scotland for the last 19 years I feel I have a better insight than most. Scottish folk are generous, friendly and sociable. Sure you get the idiotic elements of society but England has this too. The majority of Scots dont want or support independence. If they did the referendum would be done and dusted long ago. It tends to be the knuckle draggers who chant sectarian abuse at football matches that seize upon it.
 
Nooo, we should extend our kingdom.

Make Ireland re-join then go after Iceland.

We shall rule ALL the islands of the world.

Muahahahaha
 
nydryl said:
In a word, and you know what word it's going to be, Thatcher.

There is still an overwhelming feeling in Scotland, passed down from parents and grandparents, that, especially in the Thatcher era, Scotland has been mistreated by conservative governments. The destruction of industry, mining and manufacturing had a pretty devastating effect on communities both here and in areas of Wales and Northern England where the conservatives still struggle.
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The mistreatment is still going on. The disproportionate defence spending cuts in Scotland, the refusal to hand over Scotlands share of the fossill fuel levy and the refusal to devolve corp tax to Scotland while doing just that for NI are just a few examples of the Tory (and Labour) disdain for Scotland.

So much for for David Cameron's "respect" agenda.
 
ThePirateHulk said:
Yep...because economic unity in the EU has really proven itself to be a factastic idea, hasn't it?
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This is way beyond my level of knowledge, but isn't that just economic unity between separate countries, each doing their own thing for their own gain?


In my mind we should be aiming for a Star Trek like Earth.
 
Windle said:
It tends to be the knuckle draggers who chant sectarian abuse at football matches that seize upon it.
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I'm sorry but that is just complete nonsense and you have only highlighted your lack of understanding of Scotland. The "knuckle draggers" who chant sectarian abuse at football matches tend to either be out and out Unionists (ie Rangers fans) or from the most safe Labour seats in the entire country of Scotland (both Rangers and Celtic fans).

To try and associate the Scottish Nationalist movement with these people is both stupid and insulting.
 
tibbsey said:
This is way beyond my level of knowledge, but isn't that just economic unity between separate countries, each doing their own thing for their own gain?
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Yes. Very similar to how the UK currently works. One size fits all economics is only every bound to fail which is why I want Scotland to have an independant economy which stands on it's own two feet and is shaped to benefit the people of Scotland.


In my mind we should be aiming for a Star Trek like Earth.
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Give me a call when somebody invents replicators.
 
ThePirateHulk said:
I'm sorry but that is just complete nonsense and you have only highlighted your lack of understanding of Scotland. The "knuckle draggers" who chant sectarian abuse at football matches tend to either be out and out Unionists (ie Rangers fans) or from the most safe Labour seats in the entire country of Scotland (both Rangers and Celtic fans).

To try and associate the Scottish Nationalist movement with these people is both stupid and insulting.
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Whatever pal, speak to the folk in Paisley etc about independence and what you get is "aye, independence all the way. Screw the English". There is no thought behind it, just ignorance and stupidity and IN MY EXPERIENCE the majority of independence supporters fall into the same category. Again, sure there are exceptions. Folk with their own political views and reasons for supporting independence but I'd say they are the minority.
 
Windle said:
Whatever pal, speak to the folk in Paisley etc about independence and what you get is "aye, independence all the way. Screw the English". There is no thought behind it, just ignorance and stupidity and IN MY EXPERIENCE the majority of independence supporters fall into the same category. Again, sure there are exceptions. Folk with their own political views and reasons for supporting independence but I'd say they are the minority.
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:rolleyes:

Let's not let facts get in the way here, eh?

There are folk with stupid unsubstantiated views on both sides of the fence. Try asking some knuckle dragging, UJ flag waving Rangers fan why he supports the union and you'll get similar nonsensical drivel in return.
 
VoG said:
our home grown politicians refusal to give the population a say on the matter,
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Most of the population can just about manage to vote on reality television let alone something far more complex and far more important like this. Any such vote would be decided by the tabloid press who would effectively tell the readership how to vote by way of biased and ridiculous reporting.

I'm glad we dont give the population a say in stuff like this. The idea is that we elect people to make these decisions for us. It's not perfect and its deeply flawed but its marginally less scary than Man In the Street being able to decide on a subject he knows nothing about and wouldn't bother to research anyway.

As Sir Winston Churchill very aptly put it..

'The best argument against democracy is a 10 minute conversation with the average voter'
 
Judgeneo said:
Nooo, we should extend our kingdom.

Make Ireland re-join then go after Iceland.

We shall rule ALL the islands of the world.

Muahahahaha
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and then, Australia will have so many Ex-pats residing within it, it will join us. And the empire shall grow once more!
 
nydryl said:
I wouldn't mind seeing a poll in here. Something along the lines of:

I'm Scottish and I want independence.
I'm Scottish and I don't want independence.
I'm English and I want rid of Scotland.
I'm English and things should stay the same.
I'm from elsewhere and couldn't care less.

Expect to see 99.99999% of people on here saying 'English and want rid of Scotland' judging by how these threads normally go.
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I'm from Wales and certainly do care.

Independence for Scotland would empower the Welsh nationalist idiots, which can only be a bad thing for everybody. In my opinion Scotland must remain part of the UK.
 
i think it's better for everyone if we are a united kingdom

we've more power, everyone benefits surely. why would you want to seperate, because of some centuries old chip on your forefathers shoulder?
 
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