Not watched the video yet to be honest, I would like to a see an apples to apples comparison. AIO vs AIO.
I will watch the video later.
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Poll: The Vega Review Thread.
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Not watched the video yet to be honest, I would like to a see an apples to apples comparison. AIO vs AIO.
I will watch the video later.
Gibbo said he'd need amd to give him 10k cards to sustain selling at £450
Not sure what maths are behind that but presumably there's some saving to be made by buying 10k which makes it work out.
Hardware unboxed is an excellent channel. Below they have benched every Vega variant.
Matt that's hardly a fair comparison and a biased one towards AMD For you to post up.
If a liquid cooled vega can only manage 4-5% (average) better than a stock air cooled fe 1070/1080 how will they fare against a liquid cooled properly overclocked 1070/80.
Crushed is the answer!
Watch the video...........
I don't know who to believe AMD or E-tailers. One of them is making £100 more per gfx card.
That's cute, expecting the AMD rep to join the talking smack train about Vega.
Honestly, I don't care about the price. If it is overpriced like the 1080 ti (£800-1000), I don't buy. Or the 1080, a 1.5 year old card for £600+ ^^
AMD delivers high tech at affordable prices, always has. The GPU market is just overall very expensive at the moment.
AMD delivers high tech at affordable prices, always has. The GPU market is just overall very expensive at the moment.
dx12 was only in reaction to vulkan, microsoft did it to hold onto market share.
I wouldnt be that bothered if dx12 wasnt windows 10 exclusive but it is, so I want more vulkan games and no dx12 games. However its that policy that is why dx12 has very low title support, especially for exclusivty. Unless a game studio has deep pockets or is subsidised, then launching a game as dx12 only is financially stupid.
I wouldnt be that bothered if dx12 wasnt windows 10 exclusive but it is, so I want more vulkan games and no dx12 games. However its that policy that is why dx12 has very low title support, especially for exclusivty. Unless a game studio has deep pockets or is subsidised, then launching a game as dx12 only is financially stupid.
I can see there thinking behind it, dx12 has next to no legacy in it unless someone bakes it into it. So that makes old hardware usless, which is the main problem of dx11 and below, because dx had a legacy of if it existed, then code has tobe there to run it. So dx12 and win10 only supporting new tech means less optomisation with dx12. On;ly problem really with win10 is all the damn telemetry.
well this is it, there is middle men aka distributors. Also the alternative vendors which I think someone mentioned to my last post that AMD actually dont make cards themselves which I thought they did.
One thing I learnt in business tho is when someone says "profit" they are not necessarily been truthful. One of my early jobs I was attending management meetings, and basically if we failed to hit a profit target all the shop floor staff would be lied to and told it was a loss, when it was still a profit but just below the target profit. Ryan claimed that gibbo could still make a profit on each card but it might be that OCUK's operating costs are high in general or OCUK's profit expectations meant the cards had to be sold for more, so yeah its not all black and white.
AMD's latest statement pretty much says tho as far as they see it that selling at 499usd should not be a loss leader for a vega 64 card, you dont set an RRP that loses money for the retailer.
So I thought what would the ASA do, youtube reviews do count as advertising now, hence reviewers been clamped down on by regulators, I think if this got reported to the ASA, they would consider it misleading advertising, they dont care what the wholesale cost is they just look at retail price, but only if the reviews mentioned a price, some do and some dont.
Well on the advertising, thats gonna be a regional deal, youtube being world wide just mudies the waters. But amd have come out and stated that the sep wasnt a launch price, wasnt a coupon, it was an ongoing price and that the difference was packs, and that amd are allotting a set ammount of products to packs and another alottment to stand alone. And im seeing it in dif shops of stand alones being sold at pack price but no stand alones being sold at the sep price. Now take the cut from partners, from distributors and retailers. But amd stating a lie would get them in major trouble and does anyone think amd would risk facing a huge fine, so something is going on.
The RRP for the stand alone card may well be $499, now that is. Let's remember, nobody was told it was a very limited supply. AMD will make virtually zero available to retailers, so the price is effectively another $100. Commercial suicide.
Yes but people who have contacts like steve from harwareunboxed and hardocp are saying that its a % thing, buy so many packs get so many stand alones. plus retailers pushing vegas with no games for the same price as a vega with games and the discount tokens, ye think some might be saying fibs for profit.
ASA is a UK regulator, so they just look at the UK. Which given most reviewers only talk about USD, I think AMD would be in the clear, OC3D is the only one I know off who mentions GBP.
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saying your buy price is over the rrp is pretty clear, AMD are saying there is room for profit at £450/$499, OCUK are saying their buy price is over £450 and even with the AMD rebate the best they can hit is £480, one of them is lying, OCUK have said the same thing since day one, AMD have been all over the show with their comments...
ASA won't do anything as none of them mention a UK price rrp as AMD haven't officially released one, they've only mentioned the $499/599 prices
I believe that that is why they are only working with 10-20 vendors on trying to make the MSRP possible because they probably have some form of control over the middle man, well that is what it implies to me, that they can control the middle man or even distribute directly to those selected vendors.
But one thing for sure is that it has been somewhat confirmed that Gibbo wasn't lying, and he did get an AMD rebate, and I would tend to believe that what he is saying about not being able to sell at MSRP without the rebate is true, because he doesn't just calculate the initial cost of the card in his purchase price, he includes his operating costs that come with it as well (and rightfully so)
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The only thing that Hardware Unboxed video has confirmed for me is that, there is no reason at all to upgrade from my Fury X right now unless I go for the 1080 TI.
It would be the best comparison.
However almost any AIB 1080 will hold its max overclock on air. It doesnt really need an AIO being quite a low wattage card in comparison.
Will have to wait for the vega AIB cards to see if they do similarly to the AIO version as well.