Poll: The Vega Review Thread.

[Gregster]

Meanwhile I just enjoy playing games with much better performance

You bought one?

 

[ubersonic]

1080ti is a direct competitor to vega64 LC

Well, not really, but if you want to pretend that then you also have to consider the AIO cooled 1080's as direct competitors too, so I guess the 1080 is a failure too right?

I guess you could argue:
Nvidia 600 series = AMD 7000 series

Technically speaking the HD7000 series was AMD's answer to the GTX500 series, it just competed very favourably against the GTX600 series because Nvidia underestimated it and decided only to release midrange GTX600 cards (the high one ones becoming the 780/780ti).

 

[ubersonic]

Why do people keep acting like the Vega 64 LC is a different card to the Vega 64 air-cooled?
It's just an overclock and a different cooler isn't it? We don't class every 3rd party card with a different cooler and a factory overclock as a different card do we?
Vega 56 and Vega 64 are different, but how is the liquid cooled Vega 64 any different than the air cooled Vega 64?

It isn't but people like to pretend it is because it costs the same as a reference GTX1080ti so that lets them compare the two and claim the V64 is rubbish because it can't beat an equally priced Geforce. Of course that conveniently ignores the fact an AIO GTX1080 costs the same and can't beat the GTX1080ti either, or that a GTX1070 AIO costs as much as a V64/GTX1080 and can't beat them, etc.

 

[shankly1985]

So were the 1080 owners 16 months ago.

While I maintain my stance and stick to my 290x

And so was I with my 290 A GPU upgrade and performance is solely down to the users expectations, just because a 1080 came out 16 months ago doesn't mean everyone stops enjoying gaming! Agreed we have waited long for VEGA and I was getting sick of waiting! But I very happy with the numbers I getting.

 

[shankly1985]

You bought one?

Yeah last week from OCUK £470 VEGA 64

Going to do my first custom loop this year once back from Holiday CPU+MB upgrade and water cooling

 

[Martini1991]

And so was I with my 290 A GPU upgrade and performance is solely down to the users expectations, just because a 1080 came out 16 months ago doesn't mean everyone stops enjoying gaming! Agreed we have waited long for VEGA and I was getting sick of waiting! But I very happy with the numbers I getting.

I meant the numbers
People were getting the numbers you're getting 16 months ago for the same money.

My problem with the vega stuff is how long they will last. As they've come out at a point in time where the performance they offer isn't new. If I bought a 290x 16 months later than I had. It wouldn't have lasted as long as it had, since now doesn't offer the performance I want.

 

[silversurfer]

So were the 1080 owners 16 months ago.

While I maintain my stance and stick to my 290x

Nobody has to upgrade, waiting is the smart thing really. Maybe older cards have to move down the options but not really. The point about staying in the freesync range is probably the most compelling besides that it doesnt exactly matter. I hope there is at least one game where Vega is an exact fit. Just like I've bought a playstation just to play Gran Turismo, that scenario isnt here yet.
If there is no real use for it, dont buy. I was hoping Vega would turn out a lot more interesting, still hoping


http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/graphics/109078-asus-radeon-rx-vega-64-strix-gaming/?page=9

 

[Martini1991]

Nobody has to upgrade, waiting is the smart thing really. Maybe older cards have to move down the options but not really. The point about staying in the freesync range is probably the most compelling besides that it doesnt exactly matter. I hope there is at least one game where Vega is an exact fit. Just like I've bought a playstation just to play Gran Turismo, that scenario isnt here yet.
If there is no real use for it, dont buy. I was hoping Vega would turn out a lot more interesting, still hoping


http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/graphics/109078-asus-radeon-rx-vega-64-strix-gaming/?page=9

I feel I need vega performance, 290x doesn't offer enough. Playing mass effect andromeda and it's not good enough. I set it to medium and it wasn't great looking. But I won't buy the 56 out of principle

 

[GoogalyMoogaly]

Well, not really, but if you want to pretend that then you also have to consider the AIO cooled 1080's as direct competitors too, so I guess the 1080 is a failure too right?



Technically speaking the HD7000 series was AMD's answer to the GTX500 series, it just competed very favourably against the GTX600 series because Nvidia underestimated it and decided only to release midrange GTX600 cards (the high one ones becoming the 780/780ti).

Maybe but the Nvidia 500 series was released in November 2010 and the AMD 7000 series in January 2012.
The AMD 6000 series was released in October 2010, so it seems much fairer to compare the Nvidia 500 series to the AMD 6000 series and the AMD 7000 series to the Nvidia 600 series (March 2012).
If you do consider the 7000 series AMD's answer to the 500 series, at least after 13 months they produced something that was definitely better than the 500 series.

It isn't but people like to pretend it is because it costs the same as a reference GTX1080ti so that lets them compare the two and claim the V64 is rubbish because it can't beat an equally priced Geforce. Of course that conveniently ignores the fact an AIO GTX1080 costs the same and can't beat the GTX1080ti either, or that a GTX1070 AIO costs as much as a V64/GTX1080 and can't beat them, etc.

You know what, I expect that when the 1080Ti was reviewed they included the 1080 on the graphs, despite the fact that it now seems ridiculous to include the two cards in any sort of comparison.
Imagine, comparing two cards whose performance isn't within a few percent of either other, how silly that seems now!

 

[Hotwired]

Nobody has to upgrade, waiting is the smart thing really.

No one has to upgrade sure, this is all trivial entertainment nonsense.

But waiting has risks too if you hold onto plans of buying. GDDR5 memory is down in supply and up in price: http://wccftech.com/nvidia-graphics-cards-see-price-increases-starting-month-due-memory-shortage/

 

[ZenBaz]

I feel I need vega performance, 290x doesn't offer enough. Playing mass effect andromeda and it's not good enough. I set it to medium and it wasn't great looking. But I won't buy the 56 out of principle

I'm in the same boat. Been upgrading and building PCs for 20+ years. Hell even remember paying £200+ for a 120MB (yes you read that correctly) HDD for my Amiga 1200, but I refuse to pay these silly GPU prices even though my £200 cost brand new 2 years ago R9 290X is getting a bit long in the tooth... vote with your wallets ppl

 

[Martini1991]

No one has to upgrade sure, this is all trivial entertainment nonsense.

But waiting has risks too if you hold onto plans of buying. GDDR5 memory is down in supply and up in price: http://wccftech.com/nvidia-graphics-cards-see-price-increases-starting-month-due-memory-shortage/

Nvidia can afford to take the hit. It doesn't need to raise the price
It likely will, but it shouldn't need to

 

[AmateurExpert]

Why do people keep acting like the Vega 64 LC is a different card to the Vega 64 air-cooled?

Because it is different - the chips are binned and reach higher clocks than air.

It's just an overclock and a different cooler isn't it?

No, it isn't.

 

[GoogalyMoogaly]

Because it is different - the chips are binned and reach higher clocks than air.


No, it isn't.

Binning the chips doesn't make it different. OcUK bin CPUs but they don't rename them. They're still 7700Ks, they're just binned 7700Ks. They're not suddenly different chips.
Ignoring the cooler (because lots of GPUs have different coolers, doesn't make them different graphics cards) and ignoring the change in clocks and voltages (again lots of cards come factory overclocked but they're not considered different cards), what is so different about the liquid cooled Vega?

 

[AmateurExpert]

Binning the chips doesn't make it different.

Yes it does - the LC chips reach higher speeds than the air ones. That's an objective difference.

 

[GoogalyMoogaly]

Yes it does - the LC chips reach higher speeds than the air ones. That's an objective difference.

So a higher ASIC means it's a different GPU now?
The number of 7950s, 290/290Xs and 980s I've had with different ASICs. I thought I had 3 7950s, but they all had different ASICs so must have been different cards. I wonder what the 2 that weren't 7950s actually were?

EDIT: Also OcUK and at least one competitor list the air cooled and water cooled cards under "Radeon RX Vega 64"

 

[Martini1991]

Yes it does - the LC chips reach higher speeds than the air ones. That's an objective difference.

Doesn't that just reduce the overclock value of the lesser models? That's not a plus.

 

[ubersonic]

Yes it does - the LC chips reach higher speeds than the air ones. That's an objective difference.

Shock as cards with liquid AIO cooling reach higher dynamic boost speeds than throttling air cooled reference ones XD

 

[LoadsaMoney]

Going by the amount of failed LCs, id say they can't reach those higher speeds either.

 

[Hotwired]

Going by the amount of failed LCs, id say they can't reach those higher speeds either.

Small sample size.

You need to be a retailer or AMD to say that with weight.