Poll: The Vega Review Thread.

[Freddie1980]

Yeah I am not kidding, cant show you competitor link but think I can show you a cropped picture of EVGA GTX 1080 Ti Founders Edition cards from a distributor $350 each for minimum 3 pieces and it up to sellers and retailers to add on VAT, import charge, margins and markup.

At that price there won't be any in stock.

 

[TNA]

It wont do much in the titles we have right now...

I read the other day something very cool and it makes perfect sense!

Games right now are still using 1080p assets this is why file sizes are still under 100GB for games... future tiles will start building games with 4K in mind using 4K assets much bigger than 1080p these titles will be very Vram demanding.. Its here that HBCC will help massively for VEGA and future titles!!

When you run a game at 4K right now you really not playing a True 4K title all you doing is upscaling the image and graphics.

But sadly this is all we have right now! FarCry 5 is supposed to be using HBCC for its game I not sure what they mean by that!

Trouble is mate, Vega cannot even cope with 4K stuff today, let alone one's from the future that will use such textures.

HBCC is nice to have, but it is something that will likely come in handy for Navi and onwards. Those cards will actually have the grunt to run games at 4K to make use of HBCC, at least I hope. It is a feature for the future

 

[shankly1985]

Trouble is mate, Vega cannot even cope with 4K stuff today, let alone one's from the future that will use such textures.

HBCC is nice to have, but it is something that will likely come in handy for Navi and onwards. Those cards will actually have the grunt to run games at 4K to make use of HBCC, at least I hope.

I would agree here. I would like to see PC titles get support for checkerboard 4K in Motion its supposed to be really hard to tell the difference while only needed 1440p or 1800p performance, That plus True 4K Assets and you have a decent gaming experience.

I just going from what Digital foundry say here about checkerboard 4K.

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Just one thing do we really have a true 4k GPU even atm? Does the 1080Ti run games maxed out at 4K 60fps?

I still feel we abit off Single GPU 4k 60fps yet, AMD are way behind though thats for sure.

 

[Twyst]

Just one thing do we really have a true 4k GPU even atm? Does the 1080Ti run games maxed out at 4K 60fps?

I still feel we abit off Single GPU 4k 60fps yet, AMD are way behind though thats for sure.

AMDMatt did some BF1 videos @ 4k on his Vega64 AIO and was averaging around 65fps at I think max details.
Hopefully he can pop in here to clarify.

But as a PC gamer, I feel that 60 is the absolute minimum and as such I will buy (monies permitting) a 1440p Curved UW as I think that will give a better long term experience.
100fps (or near that) on titles now at max settings I would hope be achieveable, so when upgrade time comes around again in 3-4 years I'll be hitting 60fps or lower at 1440p.
I'm sure the 1080ti gives better frames in most titles @4k, but not by enough to justify buying it for 4k as I don't think the longevity is there for it or any card at 4k right now.

I did a similar thing 3-4 years ago, bought a ROG Swift GSync 1440p and my GTX770 was man enough to power my current titles around 60fps - some higher, but gsync here helped (aside from the flickering).
Fast forward to now there are just some games I cannot play @1440p - dropping res is unacceptable and these games don't even play 30fps on lowest settings (ARK, I'm looking at you). So yeah, not making the same mistake this time around!

 

[Gerard]

AMDMatt did some BF1 videos @ 4k on his Vega64 AIO and was averaging around 65fps at I think max details.
Hopefully he can pop in here to clarify.

That was on tdm mode which has substantially lower player count along with no vehicles, doesn't really do a good representation of what would be going on in 64 player conquest.

 

[LoadsaMoney]

 

[shankly1985]

AMDMatt did some BF1 videos @ 4k on his Vega64 AIO and was averaging around 65fps at I think max details.
Hopefully he can pop in here to clarify.

But as a PC gamer, I feel that 60 is the absolute minimum and as such I will buy (monies permitting) a 1440p Curved UW as I think that will give a better long term experience.
100fps (or near that) on titles now at max settings I would hope be achieveable, so when upgrade time comes around again in 3-4 years I'll be hitting 60fps or lower at 1440p.
I'm sure the 1080ti gives better frames in most titles @4k, but not by enough to justify buying it for 4k as I don't think the longevity is there for it or any card at 4k right now.

I did a similar thing 3-4 years ago, bought a ROG Swift GSync 1440p and my GTX770 was man enough to power my current titles around 60fps - some higher, but gsync here helped (aside from the flickering).
Fast forward to now there are just some games I cannot play @1440p - dropping res is unacceptable and these games don't even play 30fps on lowest settings (ARK, I'm looking at you). So yeah, not making the same mistake this time around!

That was on tdm mode which has substantially lower player count along with no vehicles, doesn't really do a good representation of what would be going on in 64 player conquest.

From the Youtube tech channels that I trust I have just watched a bunch of 1080ti 4k and it seems 30/50fps is the norm, Not quite a true 4K GPU... take a 1080Ti and @1440p you can bet it will handle over 60fps in all titles that is a true 1440p GPU.. AM sure you can turn down settings though to make a 1080 Ti reach that sweet 60fps in a lot of games.

So we still in a age where 4K and True 4k gaming is still the future! Volta and Navi maybe? Honestly I think even after that. 2020

 

[LtMatt]

AMDMatt did some BF1 videos @ 4k on his Vega64 AIO and was averaging around 65fps at I think max details.
Hopefully he can pop in here to clarify.

But as a PC gamer, I feel that 60 is the absolute minimum and as such I will buy (monies permitting) a 1440p Curved UW as I think that will give a better long term experience.
100fps (or near that) on titles now at max settings I would hope be achieveable, so when upgrade time comes around again in 3-4 years I'll be hitting 60fps or lower at 1440p.
I'm sure the 1080ti gives better frames in most titles @4k, but not by enough to justify buying it for 4k as I don't think the longevity is there for it or any card at 4k right now.

I did a similar thing 3-4 years ago, bought a ROG Swift GSync 1440p and my GTX770 was man enough to power my current titles around 60fps - some higher, but gsync here helped (aside from the flickering).
Fast forward to now there are just some games I cannot play @1440p - dropping res is unacceptable and these games don't even play 30fps on lowest settings (ARK, I'm looking at you). So yeah, not making the same mistake this time around!

This one?

That is running on 1x RX Vega at stock. I can eek out another 10-15% performance or so from overclocking.

I've switched my main system to 3440x1440 now, which a Vega is an excellent match for.

I will be using 2x Vega 64's for my 4K monitor so that i can max out every game and stay above 60.

 

[jigger]

So is OcUK one of the retailers able to sell Vega 64 for £430?

 

[LoadsaMoney]

 

[Gerard]

From the Youtube tech channels that I trust I have just watched a bunch of 1080ti 4k and it seems 30/50fps is the norm, Not quite a true 4K GPU... take a 1080Ti and @1440p you can bet it will handle over 60fps in all titles that is a true 1440p GPU.. AM sure you can turn down settings though to make a 1080 Ti reach that sweet 60fps in a lot of games.

So we still in a age where 4K and True 4k gaming is still the future! Volta and Navi maybe? Honestly I think even after that. 2020

In bf1 at least a 1080 ti can maintain a solid 60fps on a 64 player conquest scenario, my titan gets a bit higher than that depending on the map. If i uncap the framerate it can get to around 80fps plus with minimums around the mid 70's. Prefer to play with it capped to 60 though.

 

[Nemesis.ie]

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I will be using 2x Vega 64's for my 4K monitor so that i can max out every game and stay above 60.

That's my plan - once we have a crossfire capable driver of course. I want to replace my 2 x 290x FCBs that have been excellent for the last few years with something to drive a UHD FS2 monitor/UHD+ VR headset.

I just need the cards to come into stock at this point and fill my launch day "in stock" order , one reference that I will mount something like an Alphacool AIO to and one AIO.

 

[LtMatt]

In bf1 at least a 1080 ti can maintain a solid 60fps on a 64 player conquest scenario, my titan gets a bit higher than that depending on the map. If i uncap the framerate it can get to around 80fps plus with minimums around the mid 70's. Prefer to play with it capped to 60 though.

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For me, DX11 plays much smoother than DX12. DX12 is not a nice experience online for me on Vega or the Pro Duo.

 

[shankly1985]

In bf1 at least a 1080 ti can maintain a solid 60fps on a 64 player conquest scenario, my titan gets a bit higher than that depending on the map. If i uncap the framerate it can get to around 80fps plus with minimums around the mid 70's. Prefer to play with it capped to 60 though.

Well the countless youtube videos I have watched so far will disagree with you battlefield 1 maxed out is around 40/50 fps
Of course this can very depend on the map.

 

[Kaapstad]

I thought the number of players in a game got more to do with CPU grunt than anything to do with the GPUs.

 

[Gerard]

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For me, DX11 plays much smoother than DX12. DX12 is not a nice experience online for me on Vega or the Pro Duo.

DX12 is a turd on bf1, it hitches and stutters and has no fluidity. I'll try and get a vid later if im playing, at the minute i'm farting about with my ryzen system.

Well the countless youtube videos I have watched so far will disagree with you battlefield 1 maxed out is around 40/50 fps
Of course this can very depend on the map.

I've been playing capped to 60fps for months now at 4k, having a liquid cooled titan probably helps but even when it was on air i don't remember it tanking the framerate any.

I thought the number of players in a game got more to do with CPU grunt than anything to do with the GPUs.

Might do but with bigger maps and more vehicles that = more chaos, you'll get a lot more things going on that could potentially tank the frame rate as opposed to tdm which is going to be lacking in terms of effects.

 

[opethdisciple]

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For me, DX11 plays much smoother than DX12. DX12 is not a nice experience online for me on Vega or the Pro Duo.

Yep. It's a really shoddy implementation of DX12 in this game by DICE. They haven't even acknowledged it or put any time to improve it since launch. Or at least I haven't heard of any optimizations on their end.

 

[AmateurExpert]

But reference cards suck if you're not water cooling. I don't care if it's 5% faster if it sounds like a jet engine and throttles constantly.

True. Vega56 should be closer to its sweet spot at stock, but worth keeping an eye on the owners thread as undervolting ought to fix those two issues without harming performance.

 

[JediFragger]

Yep. It's a really shoddy implementation of DX12 in this game by DICE. They haven't even acknowledged it or put any time to improve it since launch. Or at least I haven't heard of any optimizations on their end.

Agreed, very poor show from DICE imo.

 

[old gamer]

True. Vega56 should be closer to its sweet spot at stock, but worth keeping an eye on the owners thread as undervolting ought to fix those two issues without harming performance.

Thinking the same, watched the vid by joker comparing the 56 and 1070, looks like he got good results undervolting and just overclocking the memory, this kept the temps and power in check and gave a decent boost