Mockery of real singing talent so are you saying Leona Lewis can't sing ?
Cher is ok she isn't a fantastic singer by any means but she is ok, the best there for me is Matt has a great voice and his 2nd song was a class above any others last night.
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Mockery of real singing talent so are you saying Leona Lewis can't sing ?
Cher is ok she isn't a fantastic singer by any means but she is ok, the best there for me is Matt has a great voice and his 2nd song was a class above any others last night.
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Also unfortunately now she sounds like she has a speech impediment - LA + Irish accent doesn't sound too good!
I really struggled to understand what she was saying in an interview the other day :/
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Not at all Dimple. ( if I may call you that ? )
Musics floats some boats and sinks others.
Ermmm did i say that Leona Lewis cant sing??
...at no time did i even say that...since Leona there hasnt been a winner whos managed to hit the heady heights that Leona has hit in the past ie very successful in America a few yrs ago and i happen to think shes a great singer.But since her, X factor has been a mockery...last yrs winner that Joe fella has disappeared into relative obscurity and the winner before him, Alexandra Burke hasnt really been that successful although i do like her and think shes a decent enough singer.
Like i said id love to see Wagner win it for just for the lulz and to stick it up at Cowell but i personally think Matt is the best from the little i have watched.
Cant see how people think Cher is versatile. Any upbeat song she ruins with preschool 'rap' and aweful facial expressions. There is no stage presence if you take out the backing dancers/singers/props/overpowering backing track. She has confidence (arrogance is probly more apt) and just swings her arms and bounces around.
Any ballad song she just cannot sing properly, voice just wobbles its way through the tricky notes and is average for the rest, the emotion she tries showing is that of a 6 year old about to cry because their mom wont buy them the toy they want. She just scrunches up her face and squints.
Shes not even the one selling herself on this program, the program is selling her and bigging her up to the cameras, nice editing and 'leaking' stories to the press. Completely being manipulated to the point they could have got any random from the street and put them forward this way. Cannot see the fascination with her in the slightest, unnatractive, average voice, arrogant, jack of all trades but has the judges climbing over each other to get to the hole in her ass. All my opinion ofcouse (and the other halfs) but she seems to be one of the fakest people on the show along with Kaite which is why I think those 2 get such bile thrown at them from a lot of people. Also lol to her saying that she always does things the hard way because thats who she is..... so you came on Xfactor to try and get a free ride to fame singing 1-2 times a week..... riiiiiight.
Also did anybody else notice Louie has changed his tune a little. Before this week he was pretty much slating Katie and other of simons loves but this week he was praising them above anybody else. Almost like Simon had a quiet word with him to see if he still liked having his job.
Was garbage from everyone last night (apart from the odd exception already mentioned) and there was no actual rock but I guess if they want people to vote then they needed the popiest songs they could get away with as thats the target market who votes.
Cher, Katie and Mary in the bottom 3 this week so hopefully one of the little suck ups go and the shouting fat bird.
Edit: Lol quite a rant. Sorry about that. I think she sucks (and not the good kind of slurpy slurpy) but clearly others dont which I find both fascinating and bemusing at the same time. ah well each to their own I guess. xD
Any ballad song she just cannot sing properly, voice just wobbles its way through the tricky notes and is average for the rest, the emotion she tries showing is that of a 6 year old about to cry because their mom wont buy them the toy they want. She just scrunches up her face and squints.
Shes not even the one selling herself on this program, the program is selling her and bigging her up to the cameras, nice editing and 'leaking' stories to the press. Completely being manipulated to the point they could have got any random from the street and put them forward this way. Cannot see the fascination with her in the slightest, unnatractive, average voice, arrogant, jack of all trades but has the judges climbing over each other to get to the hole in her ass. All my opinion ofcouse (and the other halfs) but she seems to be one of the fakest people on the show along with Kaite which is why I think those 2 get such bile thrown at them from a lot of people. Also lol to her saying that she always does things the hard way because thats who she is..... so you came on Xfactor to try and get a free ride to fame singing 1-2 times a week..... riiiiiight.
Also did anybody else notice Louie has changed his tune a little. Before this week he was pretty much slating Katie and other of simons loves but this week he was praising them above anybody else. Almost like Simon had a quiet word with him to see if he still liked having his job.
Was garbage from everyone last night (apart from the odd exception already mentioned) and there was no actual rock but I guess if they want people to vote then they needed the popiest songs they could get away with as thats the target market who votes.
Cher, Katie and Mary in the bottom 3 this week so hopefully one of the little suck ups go and the shouting fat bird.
Edit: Lol quite a rant. Sorry about that. I think she sucks (and not the good kind of slurpy slurpy) but clearly others dont which I find both fascinating and bemusing at the same time. ah well each to their own I guess. xD
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He only released his first single a month or so ago and I think that did make the top10. Olly Murs' single got to No.1 Both were from last year's show. So, they are not doing bad.
My friend, I do not think you follow the charts very much.
Burke's last single went to No.1 in the Summer. Since winning, I believe all her singles have made the top 10 (if not the top 5). She is doing VERY well for herself right now.
The year she one, JLS finished 2nd. They are also doing VERY well. Pretty much all their singles have reached No.1. They have released a new charity single, which should be entering the charts just about now and it will also probably hit the top spot.
I disagree totally Cher has no vocal range she stumbles through songs then adds her attempted rap which isn't that great either, I would be amazed if she won the show.
Matt has pretty much nailed it for me so far when he was going to sing the britney song the other week I thought my god train wreck but it was fantastic and his 2nd song last night was way above anyone else there, for me the bottom 3 would be wagner(if idiots stop voting for him) Katie and Mary.
That's the problem he is rarely in the bottom 2 he always gets through but the main reason I guess is too may acts left seeing as its semi's next week.
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Mary and Katie to go although I would love to see that tart Cole have to pick between Rebecca and Katie
I agree!
I think what music execs love about Cher and Katie is that they are a marketing man's dream. They can be marketed and pushed in so many ways, it makes the marketing team's job very easy.
Compare them to say Rebecca. How on Earth do you get her in the papers/media? Has she done/said anything controversial? She looks emotionally fragile (not sure if this is actually the case), so if her the record company bosses ask her to do something she doesnt like, how will she cope.
What if record bosses ask her to takes some raunchy shots for FHM or any other magazine? How will she cope? What if she has to do interviews...how will she cope? What if record bosses need her to do say/do something controversial...how will she cope?
People seem to think that just because you have the best voice, you will automatically sell records...this is not the case. Leona Lewis is a fantastic example of this. She is considered boring, by the press and as such gets very little media coverage. The result is that none of her songs recently have ridden high in the charts. The song which could really have propelled her into superstar status, was, "I see you". This was the big song of the Avatar movie, created by the same guy who made Celine Dion's "My heart will go on". That song was one of the biggest selling singles of all time. So when Leona's "I see you" didn't make a dent in the charts, this would've been extremely disappointing for all concerned.
The point I'm making is that in 2010, you need the media to back your cause. You need to be constantly in the face of the public. To sell records, you need to do loads of interviews, for pop shows and children's tv shows (waking up early in the morning), etc. NDubz are a fantastic example of this - they were terrifically hard and are constantly on our tv screens. This helps them sell records. If they were "boring" (like Rebecca), nobody would be interested to have them on tv shows.
Cher is not boring and will do well when she has to parade herself on tv shows, newspapers, magazines, etc.
Matt Cardle has the best voice, but I can't see how he can do better than Brookstein, unless he sexes his image up (this is a route which Shayne Ward has decided to take). And frankly, I'm not sure if this is going to work.
See I see it the other way around. Cher and Katie both seem the most fragile what with already having numerous breakdowns already. The rebecca being emotionally fragile is a bit of a cop out as shes done nothing to suggest this apart from not being completely arrogant about herself.
I can see your point on the controversy but only if it works on your favour. From the way the voting has been going in recent weeks I dont they they can pull it off. Also the mention of them posing for magazines.... please tell me you are kidding? Hobbit like manchild and a chavvy pizza faced gurner, I cant imagine any amount of airbrushing will save that. The magazines may sell for curiosity sakes and they will be mocked forever more, they are not attractive by any measure with very average 'talent' and only one vocal range each yet they are being given a free ride because they are happy to whore out whatever their 'mentor' tells them too.
For me the point about them being liked by the execs is down to them purely being media whores and having no morales, the other contestants know what they want and are just doing what they love to get there, they arent pimping out every corner in order to get some coverage. Cher and Katie both want to be famous above all with singing just seeming to be one of the possible avenues and I really dislike that about them but the execs see it as an opportunity to abuse and maipulate to rake in as much as possible at the expense of actual talent.
Whoever wins are going to be in for a bit of a shock at how fickle the business is (popular then a villian in a week) and how little input they will have along with being pushed and pimped out to everybody to bring is as much fast cash as possible then dumped as soon as it takes a turn ready for the next contestnt to come through. The year off they make them take really hurts them as the next series has started so unless you are something special then you are already forgotten.
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Leona has been touring the UK most of this year I went and saw her at Birmingham and she was fantastic, all her tours got rave reviews and total sell outs with dvd/blu ray and live cd coming out end of this month, to be fair to Leona I see you wasn't the greatest song certainly not as good as my heart will go on and although Avatar was a money spinner it never really won anything like Titanic did at the awards.
She will touring the states as she is focusing more on things over there hence why she isn't in the UK eye that much, and that really shows how good she is as others from the X-factor haven't cracked the USA.
Bit harsh over Matt the main difference is Brookstein wasn't very good Shayne Ward has fell out of the public eye a tad to be fair, I don't think there has been a real good x factor winner since Leona, Alexandra Burke is ok but nothing ground breaking and last years winner was the same.
Your point is true though sunama we only have to look at Cheryl as much as people like her she is a dire singer but because she in on the X-factor and in the public eye so much because of it she is always guaranteed to have success with her music, you only have to look at how poorly Nadine has sold from Girls a loud although she is a far better singer.
She will touring the states as she is focusing more on things over there hence why she isn't in the UK eye that much, and that really shows how good she is as others from the X-factor haven't cracked the USA.
Bit harsh over Matt the main difference is Brookstein wasn't very good Shayne Ward has fell out of the public eye a tad to be fair, I don't think there has been a real good x factor winner since Leona, Alexandra Burke is ok but nothing ground breaking and last years winner was the same.
Your point is true though sunama we only have to look at Cheryl as much as people like her she is a dire singer but because she in on the X-factor and in the public eye so much because of it she is always guaranteed to have success with her music, you only have to look at how poorly Nadine has sold from Girls a loud although she is a far better singer.
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That's what I was getting at, if it's a double eviction, there should be a bottom 3 instead of 2
What can she do? She can't sing, her rap is poor tbh, dance?!, ugly gurner.
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its not like leona lewis is typical of the talent emerging from x-factor though, is it?
The last time we had one, the lowest votes goes straight away and the other 2 sing off and the judges send one home, seeing as he has done well I can't see him getting put in the bottom, you would bet odds on Katie being in the bottom but who knows maybe the public like her boy look now.
Very true so maybe she is the exception for the show and since they have been average at best.
