***The X-Factor Thread - ALL X-Factor Related Stuff In Here***

See I see it the other way around. Cher and Katie both seem the most fragile what with already having numerous breakdowns already.

Katie, hasn't had any breakdowns. She comes across as drama queen though. She attempts to spin everything about herself, into something which relates to being on the show.

Cher had a moment of weakness when she was in Cheryl's bootcamp. But since then, she has been rock solid. At the time she was 16 yrs old, so she can be forgiven. Most 16 yr olds would've cracked. At 16, for comparison, I was studying for GCSEs. Cher was going onto the biggest show in the UK.

The rebecca being emotionally fragile is a bit of a cop out as shes done nothing to suggest this apart from not being completely arrogant about herself.

Until now, nothing negative has been said/written about her. Initially, when she first auditioned, she was in tears pretty much everytime we saw her. This is what pressure does. There is no doubt in my mind that she is emotionally weak and that once the negative press comments start rolling in, there will be many many (real) tears. The tears we have seen from Cher and Katie, have been fake - these 2 are mentally, VERY tough. Don't be fooled by the crocodile tears.

Also the mention of them posing for magazines.... please tell me you are kidding? Hobbit like manchild and a chavvy pizza faced gurner, I cant imagine any amount of airbrushing will save that.

Good lighting, good photography, good photo-shopping. Combine these together and Katie/Cher can be made to attractive. As long as they don't get fat, they will be able to feature in Lads Mags.

...they are not attractive by any measure with very average 'talent' and only one vocal range each yet they are being given a free ride because they are happy to whore out whatever their 'mentor' tells them too.

Vocal range has absolutely nothing to do with concert/cd/album sales. People will buy what media/advertising tells people to buy. I think you completely misunderstand the power of the media.

Your marketing team are the people who "make" you. In the 90s, Britney Spears was tops, even though she wasn't the greatest singer in the World or the best looking. However, her team pushed her and made people believe that she was "all that"...and so the public believed, she was "all that".

Lady Gaga has taken the mantle from Spears, in that although she is not the greatest singer, she is able to outsell any other singer/group on the face of the planet, simply because she is prepared to work hard and has a fantastic (arguably the best) marketing team around her.

For me the point about them being liked by the execs is down to them purely being media whores and having no morales, ...

Yep. Nothing wrong with that.
If you want to reach the top of your profession, you must make sacrifices. These 2 girls will make sacrifices...you can bet on that.

The year off they make them take really hurts them as the next series has started so unless you are something special then you are already forgotten.

100% agree on this point. But it is up to the artist to push their team to get them on tv as much as possible. The idea is that the team must attempt to expose their client to a point where the public are sick and tired of seeing their client on their tv screens. Of course, getting to this point is nigh on impossible.

A great example of advertising and working hard was when Victoria Beckham released, "out of your mind". She scored a No.2 single from that. She wanted No.1. But she worked so hard, it is untrue. She was appearing in mags, on the telly...everywhere. It was almost impossible for a member of the public to have not heard her song. VB left no stone unturned...even her video was slick and polished. Everything that could be done, was done.
 
Very true so maybe she is the exception for the show and since they have been average at best.

I disagree.

JLS and Alexandra Burke are fab :p

In fact, I think the recent attempt to revive the boy band (which was missing for almost a decade), has come as a result of the success which JLS have had. Before JLS, there were hardly any boy bands around.

In a decade, Busted and McFly were probably the only (commercial) boybands which were born. Before that we had Take That, Boyzone, Westlife and a whole host of other moderately successful boy bands.

Once JLS came on, within a year, we have seen The Wanted (who recently got to No.1) and will probably see One Direction release some material, in a year's time, along with other boybands who we haven't yet heard of as they are still being formed.
 
Guess we will have to disagree on Katie and Cher then xD.

Kate for me lost her chance when she screwed up her first song but was still put through. It was made a mockery every time she has screwed up and gone through (audition, judges house and sing off where she sat down - it wasnt for the emotion that she said sod it, she screwed up and you could see it in her face), she is one of the least popular contestants for the public so I cant see how they will turn it around for her - not to mention the fresh looks every week to try and start fresh with the public, elf boy was just hilarious.

I also dont understand that they try and force Katie on people when her voice is quite gruff and more suited to jazzish style when that will not be the type of song they want her to release.

Theres nothing wrong with making sacrifices or compromising but they are just downright whoring themselves off. They have no morales (it really isnt a good thing) or self respect. They are on par with big brother contestants who do anything possible to be noticed which really is one of the things wrong with this modern celeb culture in that people lap it up. Idiot nation strikes again I guess 'oooo Katona has gone shopping! oh and Chanelle from big brother is walking her dog in her underwear!!!!!' -[insert facepalm here]

Both Britney and Gaga have an angle. Britney was the pretty girl next door at the start of the new age teen girl singers and gaga thrives on being controvertial with her songs and outfits, they work their angle well. I cant see how these 2 will stand out from the crowd, not to mention the first time Cher has to do a real interview that isnt pre recorded, her arrogance will shine through (it does when they take the best bits of the pre recorded things) and Katie offers nothing, she isnt pretty and she isnt interesting, theres nothing about her that stands out and her controversy is coming from the mere fact she is still in the competition and her granny sells her muff for early bird dinner money.

More a go at celebrities (mainly the non entities that are classed as famous now) and how that type of whoring is encouraged these days. People lap it up and it baffles me. Sheep nation thats told what to like, having a differing opinion is scoffed at and any actual talent is overlooked for cheap mediorcre people who are just happy to be pimped out so people notice them.

I think ive gone off topic here....hmmmm
 
I'm surprised by the 20mln albums. Take That was the annoying, in your face, in every media, every step of their uninteresting lives in all newspapers type of band with global coverage. East 17, globally, were nobodies - they were the N-Dubzies of the nineties. In fact I just did a simple test - asked my girl and mate, and both couldn't even recall who East 17 were until I pin pointed "bunch of Jimmy Sommerville lookalikes with tard in a pointy, starched ski hat as a frontman" to jog their memory.

So, in comparison - 20 mil albums - congrats. Seriously well done.
 
Last edited:
I don't care what anybody says but there is only one artist I have looked forward to every week.
She may have been hit by the ugly stick and could win a professional gurning competition but Cher Lloyd ticks all the boxes for me.
Flame on.

Not great songs but her performances are excellent and interesting to watch, she's got a decent voice too, she's a good all rounder imo
 
No they didn't. They sold around 20million albums between 1991-1997, in the same period Take That sold around 30million albums, and have gone on to sell more than 40million albums.

"They shaved their heads, and had tattoos, and were a lot, lot cooler than the nancy boys of Take That. In the great five-year battle that dominated British pop, East 17 were also on the winning side. Their music was sharper and more streetwise. It was infused with hip-hop and R&B, and sold by the bucketload: 20 million records across Europe, compared with Take That's paltry 19 million".
 
East17's comeback was finished before it even started. I think the main problem was Brian Harvey. The other front man of that group (the slim guy), is actually a sensible chap. He came across as nothing more than a council estate chav while he was with E17, but in an interview, he stated that during the fame of East17, he was putting money away and investing it. Most youngsters tend not to do this sort of thing. Brian Harvey was the true bad boy.

Also the program a couple of weeks back on Take That's comeback was VERY interesting. What I really found shocking was when Robbie Williams said that he had barely ever left the confines of his home, for the last 2-3 years. Effectively, he has become a recluse. In reality, Robbie Williams NEEDED to rejoin Take That, if only to maintain mental and physical health.
 
"They shaved their heads, and had tattoos, and were a lot, lot cooler than the nancy boys of Take That. In the great five-year battle that dominated British pop, East 17 were also on the winning side. Their music was sharper and more streetwise. It was infused with hip-hop and R&B, and sold by the bucketload: 20 million records across Europe, compared with Take That's paltry 19 million".

Guess what I was actually alive at the time, I do remember, I also remember that they imploded pretty quickly.

Take that sold 25million albums during the five years between 1991 and 1996 btw. Outnumbering the total lifetime sales of East 17.

All the really cool kids were listening not to Take That or East 17, but US hip-hop like Ice Cube, Dr Dre, KRS-One and Public Enemy and UK stuff like Silver Bullet and Overlord X, or Grunge acts like Pearl Jam, Nirvana and such like.

East 17 were just another pop band who added a bit of rap to their tracks now and then.
 
Take That definitely outsold East17. There is no question about this.

I remember when Take That released a single, amongst teenagers, it was a very big event. There used to be lots of stuff about Take That's new single on Newsround and other kids tv shows. There was A LOT of hype which surrounded Take That and their new singles/albums.

East 17 had one massive hit "Stay Another Day". I do not recall them having any other No.1 singles apart from this.

Take That on the other hand, had numerous No.1 singles (8, during the 90's, I think).

East 17 were not nearly as popular or commercially successful as Take That.
 
If we're going on sales the Backstreet Boys were the most successful boy band of all time, 70mil+ record sales world wide

according to wiki they're on 100mil sales
 
Also the program a couple of weeks back on Take That's comeback was VERY interesting. What I really found shocking was when Robbie Williams said that he had barely ever left the confines of his home, for the last 2-3 years. Effectively, he has become a recluse. In reality, Robbie Williams NEEDED to rejoin Take That, if only to maintain mental and physical health.

I missed this :( looks like someone will have to buy me the DVD for Christmas :D

East 17 were not nearly as popular or commercially successful as Take That.

Nope! :D and to bring the thread back on track, they gave the best performance on X Factor so far this series!!!! ;)

BB x
 
Back
Top Bottom