Theories of the universe

Clinkz · 11 Feb 2008 at 21:44

yantorsen said:
but we're not talking about linear infinty.

and even if we were what you say is still no different to saying a line infinate, just your line isn't straight. It doesn't help anything.

and technically it wouldn't break down at a molecular level because a line has no width.

*Sigh*

The purpose of this example is to counteract your post in which you claimed it was impossible to divide infinity by half. An infinite line by itself is an impossibility just as its impossible to divide in half. What im trying to show you is that infinity can exist in an observable state wrapped within the constructs of observable phenomena. This is as opposed to you inventing a magical line and declaring it to have infinite length.

In fairness, i am explaining myself poorly, just as you are listening poorly. Therein lies the great problem with the world today

yantorsen · 11 Feb 2008 at 21:46

Clinkz said:
*Sigh*

The purpose of this example is to counteract your post in which you claimed it was impossible to divide infinity by half. An infinite line by itself is an impossibility just as its impossible to divide in half. What im trying to show you is that infinity can exist in an observable state wrapped within the constructs of observable phenomena. This is as opposed to you inventing a magical line and declaring it to have infinite length.

no it's not.

your example IS just the same as a magical line.

Clinkz · 11 Feb 2008 at 21:49

yantorsen said:
no it's not.

your example IS just the same as a magical line.

Well then, would you care to draw your imaginary line in its entirety for me.

yantorsen · 11 Feb 2008 at 21:50

Clinkz said:
Well then, would you care to draw your imaginary line in its entirety for me.

no, would you care to draw a perfect line around your mobias strip for me?

Clinkz · 11 Feb 2008 at 21:56

yantorsen said:
no, would you care to draw a perfect line around your mobias strip for me?

Your reeeeeeeeeally not getting this.

Using my idea, a mobius strip is a self contained recursive fractal which can be viewed in its entirety on any plane from any perspective at all times. Your magical line can never be displayed as such.

yantorsen · 11 Feb 2008 at 22:00

Clinkz said:
Your reeeeeeeeeally not getting this.

Using my idea, a mobius strip is a self contained recursive fractal which can be viewed in its entirety on any plane from any perspective at all times. Your magical line can never be displayed as such.

and what is the point your trying to make again? :confused:

daz · 11 Feb 2008 at 22:05

Clinkz said:
I cannot remember where i heard it, but i believe, and i accept that it is within the realm of possibility this is not true, that he employed the services of other mathematicians to work on his ideas for him. That is not to say they were not his ideas in the first place. But as i say, i am unsure of the validity or severity of this implication.

Not sure how much of this to believe considering the papers he published.

riddler · 11 Feb 2008 at 22:58

http://www.exitmundi.nl/eternity.htm

Thanks kaed that was a nice read.

psychas · 11 Feb 2008 at 23:05

well im not sure if anyone posted as some guy is chas bit figured it out its darkmater + darkenergy and + planets galaxy's i think cant remember really. but the point is in some usa university i think they have all universe made on pc's well the pc is like 100 or even 1000 pc connected together. oh nvm its hard to explain i just link you to the documentary...

http://joox.net/cat/44/id/2166122

AGD · 12 Feb 2008 at 08:55

Einstein was not an amazing mathematician - he did need the help of standard mathematicians to teach him the main mathematics for general relativity. He did have an amazing imagination and concentration though.

Darg · 12 Feb 2008 at 09:21

stevenazari1 said:
I found 1 guys theory - there is no space on it quite interesting and it answers a lot of questions

I never trust lefties...

I believe that the entire universe revolves around me. Everything that happens is just to entertain me and provide me with exciting new challenges. Everyone is pre-designed to like or dislike me and there's not much I can do about that in a lot of cases.

Sure if I sell them some things at a cheap price and buy lots of expensive things off them they might like me more but all that is just pre-determined by whether or not they are actually essential to the storyline of my life and how many quests they can give me in the long run.

Sometimes you don't even have that small option of affecting the people around you, they either love you and worship you as their saviour or try to shoot at you. I'm not sure why they automatically assume one or the other, I'm pretty quiet and have really only ever done what my lifes path seemed to lead me to do.

All in all it's pretty confusing.

daz · 12 Feb 2008 at 09:36

bibalasvegas said:
Einstein was not an amazing mathematician - he did need the help of standard mathematicians to teach him the main mathematics for general relativity. He did have an amazing imagination and concentration though.

Einstein was an excellent mathematician, it seems to be a common misconception that he was bad.

http://www.time.com/time/2007/einstein/3.html

Alas, there are always going to be people better than you at certain things, and just because he collaborated with others (or even asked for help) regarding the mathematics of his work doesn't make him a bad mathematician.

Amleto · 12 Feb 2008 at 10:25

Clinkz said:
How very scientific of you. Just like all great art, at the time it is misunderstood and laughed at. It is only through questioning the status quo that advancement can be made. You are quite welcome to disagree with me, But to laugh at it, shame on you. Pathetic.

erm, saying that a mobius strip has infinite surface area?? :confused:

Comparing your own statement to great art??

Please, get down from your heady position.

magick · 12 Feb 2008 at 14:28

yantorsen said:
intresting.

do you care to expand on what you think a little?

Very hard to expand on as words are limiting and thus not the best methods to conceptualise the eternal.

I definitely think the universe is subjective in nature and it's foundation is a field of consciousness not dense matter.

daz · 12 Feb 2008 at 14:30

magick said:
Very hard to expand on as words are limiting and thus not the best methods to conceptualise the eternal.

I definitely think the universe is subjective in nature and it's foundation is a field of consciousness not dense matter.

What you've just said is utterly meaningless and founded in nothing but some obscure random thought you've strung together one day with no basis in mathematics, science or reality.

magick · 12 Feb 2008 at 14:34

daz said:
What you've just said is utterly meaningless and founded in nothing but some obscure random thought you've strung together one day with no basis in mathematics, science or reality.

OK you go back to your science and so-called reality. You couldn't see the true nature of things if it was right front of you. You'r the modern day equivalent of a flat-earther.

daz · 12 Feb 2008 at 14:49

magick said:
OK you go back to your science and so-called reality. You couldn't see the true nature of things if it was right front of you. You'r the modern day equivalent of a flat-earther.

No, you're confused. I base things on evidence collected using scientific method and mathematics. That's how people discovered the world was spherical.

with extraordinary few exceptions no educated person in the history of Western Civilization from the third century B.C. onward believed that the earth was flat" and that the prevailing view was of a spherical earth.

http://www.asa3.org/ASA/topics/history/1997Russell.html

AGD · 12 Feb 2008 at 14:54

daz said:
Einstein was an excellent mathematician, it seems to be a common misconception that he was bad.

http://www.time.com/time/2007/einstein/3.html

Alas, there are always going to be people better than you at certain things, and just because he collaborated with others (or even asked for help) regarding the mathematics of his work doesn't make him a bad mathematician.

I said he was not an amazing mathematician not that he was a bad one. Obviously he was a gifted mathematician (every theoretical physicist is) but not exceptionally so. Maybe doing a project in a theoretical physics department gives me a slightly skewed perspective though!

magick · 12 Feb 2008 at 14:56

daz said:
No, you're confused. I base things on evidence collected using scientific method and mathematics. That's how people discovered the world was round.

That's all good but your scientific methods will always be limited due to the nature of science therefore your understanding of the universe will always be limited. Also classical science can't bring consciousness into the equation and consciousness is the main foundation of the universe and reality.

daz · 12 Feb 2008 at 15:00

bibalasvegas said:
I said he was not an amazing mathematician not that he was a bad one. Obviously he was a gifted mathematician (every theoretical physicist is) but not exceptionally so. Maybe doing a project in a theoretical physics department gives me a slightly skewed perspective though!

Sure. My final year Physics projects were all computational and experimental. I couldn't handle the maths for theoretical.

I guess what I'm saying is that there's sometimes a misapprehension that Einstein was bad at maths (I know you didn't) when to get anywhere near his level you have to be gifted with a lot of understanding, and I was just saying that it's really not unusual for papers to be published with different people solving different parts of a problem, or favours being called in when someone gets stuck on something!