Theories of the universe

magick said:
That's all good but your scientific methods will always be limited due to the nature of science therefore your understanding of the universe will always be limited. Also classical science can't bring consciousness into the equation and consciousness is the main foundation of the universe and reality.
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OK sorry you were right all along, we'll go back to making things up and throw science away then.
 
Just while we're talking about the flat earth/round earth stuff, this is pretty amazing:-

Around 830 CE, Caliph al-Ma'mun commissioned a group of astronomers to measure the distance from Tadmur (Palmyra) to al-Raqqah, in modern Syria. They found the cities to be separated by one degree of latitude and the distance between them to be 66 2/3 miles and thus calculated the Earth's circumference to be 24,000 miles (about 38,600 km), a value which differs from modern estimates by about 3.6%
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daz said:
Sure. My final year Physics projects were all computational and experimental. I couldn't handle the maths for theoretical. :o
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Bah, theoretical physics is where the fun is!

My degree was mathematical physics and we only did any experimental stuff for the first semester of first year and then it was all theoretical.
We even got special quantum mechanics modules that had more maths in than they gave to regular physics students as we were supposedly better at the maths :o
 
magick said:
That's all good but your scientific methods will always be limited due to the nature of science therefore your understanding of the universe will always be limited. Also classical science can't bring consciousness into the equation and consciousness is the main foundation of the universe and reality.
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There's nothing I've seen of the human brain that has convinced me that in essence it is nothing more than a type of computer. Consciousness is just a special name for how some of this computer interacts with itself and analyses external and internal inputs/data.
 
daz said:
Sure. My final year Physics projects were all computational and experimental. I couldn't handle the maths for theoretical. :o

I guess what I'm saying is that there's sometimes a misapprehension that Einstein was bad at maths (I know you didn't) when to get anywhere near his level you have to be gifted with a lot of understanding, and I was just saying that it's really not unusual for papers to be published with different people solving different parts of a problem, or favours being called in when someone gets stuck on something! :p
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A lot of it stems from his teachers saying he was bad at it in school, but then he did throw a chair at one of them, so they might not have been to keen on him.
 
magick said:
Very hard to expand on as words are limiting and thus not the best methods to conceptualize the eternal.

I definitely think the universe is subjective in nature and it's foundation is a field of consciousness not dense matter.
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not really sure what your saying here tbh.


are you trying to say it was designed?
 
stevenazari1 said:
I found 1 guys theory - there is no space on it quite interesting and it answers a lot of questions
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Kaed said:
http://www.exitmundi.nl/eternity.htm
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Interesting, i've come to believe along similar lines, it makes sense that when you get right down to it theres really only one 'something' throughout space and its fluctuations, after all science has seen particles spontaneously coming into existence only to disappear almost instantly after, to me that sounds like the background noise fluctuations coming together under the right conditions to create them, given enough time the universe could have come into existence due to any number of possibilities from a combination of these fluctuations.
 
bibalasvegas said:
There's nothing I've seen of the human brain that has convinced me that in essence it is nothing more than a type of computer. Consciousness is just a special name for how some of this computer interacts with itself and analyses external and internal inputs/data.
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Computers require programming though, perhaps you knew this? or was it just a bad analagy?
 
Maybe there is an answer to the start of the universe just our brains are too small/primitive to understand.

But it MUST have started, I mean how can time go on forever, how can it not start? No one gets it its weird and ummm its hard to think about really.

And I've just noticed how old this thread is :eek: Thats something my brain can easilly work out, or should have :o
 
daz said:
I couldn't handle the maths for theoretical. :o
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Modern theoretical physics is locally isomorphic to pure mathematics!

I know a few people who work in theoretical physics, and they spend an awful lot of their time building up a vast mathematical arsenal. A friend, who works on string theory, spends much of his days reading texts on algebraic geometry and algebraic topology.
 
willhub said:
Maybe there is an answer to the start of the universe just our brains are too small/primitive to understand.

But it MUST have started, I mean how can time go on forever, how can it not start? No one gets it its weird and ummm its hard to think about really.

And I've just noticed how old this thread is :eek: Thats something my brain can easilly work out, or should have :o
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If time "started" what came before?

And if there no time how can something happen?

Does it all happen at once, or not at all?

Does time slow things down and space them out, or speed things up and let them move?


Fun, fun, fun!
 
I love this stuff... but when actually beginning to understand it is hard enough, trying to teach it to A-level students without the required basic principles in their grasp is an impossibility. Its a case of...
"this is what we know - accept it. Unfortunatly, I can't give you an explanation which is going to satisfy you cos its too hidden in theory and maths" But even so, its great chatting about all the possibilities and encouraging students to read around the topic more. Shame next year cosmology option is being taken out of the A-level syllabus (along with nuclear and particle physics) :( Bring on the International Baccalaureate!!! :D
 
I reckon it's beyond the capabilities of the human mind. We can only comprehend 3 dimensions, 4 if you include time. For string theory to work, there needs to be 9, 10, or 11 dimensions.

Think of when everyone thought the earth was flat, and Columbus set off across the see to the edge of the sea. In a 2D viewpoint, the earth is endless, you keep going in a straight line. In a 3D viewpoint we know we're going round a ball.

From this 3D viewpoint, our universe is infinite, it goes in every direction forever, but there may be more dimensions that show our universe as just a ball or bubble.

When things start getting that big, I really don't care lol :P
 
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