These guys have no idea what they are talking about.

[Cyber-Mav]

I'm in the camp of more cores = better. I'm still running my TR 3960x because half the time I'll have something like SSMS open running something with 20 browser tabs plus 4 spreadsheets etc etc and tbh I don't want to close any of it but still want epic performance when I fire up a game, therefore more cores is unquestionably better every single time. I'd take my 3960x over any mainstream cpu currently available.

on my old 1st gen i7 cpu quad core ht, iv had 25 tabs open along with word, excel powerpoint and arduino ide. looking in task manager showed cpu usage to be under 5%. ram usage was a different story. but this goes to show you can have as much open as you want thats ram dependent and nothing to do with cores unless each browser tab is opening a dodgey website that had crypto miner on the go.
if you like i can do a screenshot on my current pc with 40+ tabs open on a 5600x cpu and cpu usage will be next to nothing. its not like someone can interact with all those pages simultaneously.

 

[Tetras]

Was Sandy not iterative on Nehalem? i had a 930, to me that was the first true good Core series CPU.

It was, nehalem was 1st gen core and Intel said at the time they had a whole bunch of optimisations ready that would offer a big performance uplift and that was sandy.

 

[Vince]

on my old 1st gen i7 cpu quad core ht, iv had 25 tabs open along with word, excel powerpoint and arduino ide. looking in task manager showed cpu usage to be under 5%. ram usage was a different story. but this goes to show you can have as much open as you want thats ram dependent and nothing to do with cores unless each browser tab is opening a dodgey website that had crypto miner on the go.
if you like i can do a screenshot on my current pc with 40+ tabs open on a 5600x cpu and cpu usage will be next to nothing. its not like someone can interact with all those pages simultaneously.

I have many reasons for having 48 threads and opening 500 browsers tabs is not in the list Running 20 odd VM's to test out an environment sometimes is. my point was.... I cant remember what the point was, but I am sure that 24 cores is better than 2, 4, 8 or 16 similar cores in workloads that use lots of cores. So to sum up, lots of cores = better if you use lots of cores. Even if you don't use them you can lord it over lesser cpu's and use it as a space heater in this hotter weather. So yes more = better. I just wish it didnt have 280w tdp.

 

[Bencher]

When zen 3 released the 10700k could often be picked up for as little as £250 vs the 5600X which was on back order at a lot of retailers and the ones that did have stock were scalping for up to £350 with resellers asking £400+ on the bay.

Also the 10600k could be had for £200 and would match the stock 10900k in gaming with some overclocking.

In this forum you are supposed to pretend that the 5600x was cheaper than the 10700 and that the zen 3 cores are way more efficient than the golden cove core. So yeah, take your facts someplace else, they are not welcome here

 

[Cyber-Mav]

In this forum you are supposed to pretend that the 5600x was cheaper than the 10700 and that the zen 3 cores are way more efficient than the golden cove core. So yeah, take your facts someplace else, they are not welcome here

10700 doesnt have golden cove cores.

 

[Journey]

In this forum you are supposed to pretend that the 5600x was cheaper than the 10700 and that the zen 3 cores are way more efficient than the golden cove core. So yeah, take your facts someplace else, they are not welcome here

But you are replying to a user that is often wrong with costs, times and dates. Here's is a graph of around 14 different retailers pricing showing the 10700K over the last 2 years, at the time of Zen 3 (5600X launch) 5th November 2020 the 10700K was over £350, and didn't in fact drop to ~£300 until Feb/March 2021



But don't let facts get in the way of a good made up story.

 

[Jay85]

But you are replying to a user that is often wrong with costs, times and dates. Here's is a graph of around 14 different retailers pricing showing the 10700K over the last 2 years, at the time of Zen 3 (5600X launch) 5th November 2020 the 10700K was over £350, and didn't in fact drop to ~£300 until Feb/March 2021



But don't let facts get in the way of a good made up story.

I almost read that wrong and thought you plotted a graph of how many times he got wrong with costs, times and dates .

 

[Joxeon]

But you are replying to a user that is often wrong with costs, times and dates. Here's is a graph of around 14 different retailers pricing showing the 10700K over the last 2 years, at the time of Zen 3 (5600X launch) 5th November 2020 the 10700K was over £350, and didn't in fact drop to ~£300 until Feb/March 2021



But don't let facts get in the way of a good made up story.

Who said I was talking about new prices, I think you forget that such was the hype train surrounding the zen 3 launch that people were fire selling their perfectly good 6 month old Intel cpus for peanuts similar to how people were flogging off their 2080ti's for £350 prior to the 3000 launch.

 

[Journey]

Who said I was talking about new prices, I think you forget that such was the hype train surrounding the zen 3 launch that people were fire selling their perfectly good 6 month old Intel cpus for peanuts similar to how people were flogging off their 2080ti's for £350 prior to the 3000 launch.

Of course you were, or are you claiming were talking about people flogging their 6 months old CPU, of which on the MM a grand total of two were listed and sold between the November '20 to Feb/March '21 period when the prices actually dropped to the prices you were talking about.

Instead of trying to get out of having poor information by lying, just say you made a mistake, it is much easier in the long run and you'll gain more respect for being honest.

 

[Bencher]

But you are replying to a user that is often wrong with costs, times and dates. Here's is a graph of around 14 different retailers pricing showing the 10700K over the last 2 years, at the time of Zen 3 (5600X launch) 5th November 2020 the 10700K was over £350, and didn't in fact drop to ~£300 until Feb/March 2021



But don't let facts get in the way of a good made up story.

There isnt just the 10700k (which is not comparable since it has an igpu), there is the 10700f, and the kf as well, which were in fact cheaper than the 5600x. I dont know about pounds, but in eu the 5600x was above 400 euros in December of 2020, thats how and why I ended up with the 3700x.

There wasnt a single point in time where the 5600x was cheaper than the 10700kf so im not sure what exactly you are arguing about.

 

[Joxeon]

Of course you were, or are you claiming were talking about people flogging their 6 months old CPU, of which on the MM a grand total of two were listed and sold between the November '20 to Feb/March '21 period when the prices actually dropped to the prices you were talking about.

Instead of trying to get out of having poor information by lying, just say you made a mistake, it is much easier in the long run and you'll gain more respect for being honest.

There probably wasn't many £350 2080ti's on MM either but MM doesn't represent the uk used market as a whole and I assure you they were available for that elsewhere and the same for the 10700k between 200-250.

 

[Bencher]

10700 doesnt have golden cove cores.

I know. Some users are claiming that zen 3 cores are more efficient than golden cove, which is a complete lie that they keep repeating. Actually golden cove is over two times more efficient than zen 3 if you normalize for performance. 8gc cores at 65w score 16200 in cbr23. The 5800x needs more than 150w (and a custom wc at subambient temperature) to hit that score.

Yet, in this forum people keep spreading and repeating that lie. If you have any explanation to offer as to why, that would be awesome

 

[Journey]

There isnt just the 10700k (which is not comparable since it has an igpu), there is the 10700f, and the kf as well, which were in fact cheaper than the 5600x. I dont know about pounds, but in eu the 5600x was above 400 euros in December of 2020, thats how and why I ended up with the 3700x.

I referenced what you quoted from the other user, a specific SKU. If people mean something else, then they should say something else. Just like if I want coffee I don't say I want tea. The facts speak for themselves the 10th gen were great value by the time Feb/March '21 hit, but until then they were selling at higher prices than indicated. It's a shame people try and make thing look worse/better when there is bucket loads of empirical data out there to show the real facts and figures.

If you didn't buy a 5xxx part in the first few weeks of launch they were scalped to death by retailers, its called supply and demand, it is not a new thing so don't understand why people still don't understand that. Value is determined by the buyer, not by someone else who isn't buying it, you can have an opinion but you can't tell them they are wrong.

 

[Journey]

There probably wasn't many £350 2080ti's on MM either but MM doesn't represent the uk used market as a whole and I assure you they were available for that elsewhere and the same for the 10700k between 200-250.

Whatever makes you sleep better, you obviously meant new. You really make me laugh sometimes, you are so butt hurt about being bought the 'overpriced' 5800x you just can't let it go.

 

[House]

More back on the original topic, I think the background apps are more likely to batter your ram than your CPU cores.
I'm planning out a new gaming rig at the moment and was putting together a list of what i would need install for my hardware, games etc.

iCue for pretty lights fan control and keyboard and mouse drives.
Asus armoury crate for updates and LED control on mobo and GPU
Either logitech Ghub for my wheel, or fantac software for their wheel (assuming it ever comes back in stock)
Logitech/Siatek drive app for my HOTAS, or whatever i upgrade it to from virpil/Winwing
Headtracking software (only on for some games)
VR software (for some games)
Geforce exp for capture
Discord
Xbox App (games from gamepass chat with people left on console)
Steam
Epic (not normally running)
Origin (not normally running)
UBisoft (not normally running)
Onedrive
Anitvirus, (not sure about this as will be a pure gaming PC windows defender should be ok)

and a lot of these apps have got FAT, Logitech GHUB for example, i want a app to set my wheels preferences not some social media wannabe, that requires an account. GeFroce exp has also has some serious bloat and dont get me started on armoury crate.

Gone are the days of gaming with only a chat app running and ICQ in the background.

with most of the above running im sucking down 7% of my 6700k CPU in task manager while typing this.

 

[Bencher]

I referenced what you quoted from the other user, a specific SKU. If people mean something else, then they should say something else. Just like if I want coffee I don't say I want tea. The facts speak for themselves the 10th gen were great value by the time Feb/March '21 hit, but until then they were selling at higher prices than indicated. It's a shame people try and make thing look worse/better when there is bucket loads of empirical data out there to show the real facts and figures.

If you didn't buy a 5xxx part in the first few weeks of launch they were scalped to death by retailers, its called supply and demand, it is not a new thing so don't understand why people still don't understand that. Value is determined by the buyer, not by someone else who isn't buying it, you can have an opinion but you can't tell them they are wrong.

Well check my post again, i referenced the 10700 (not the k) and its variations..

 

[Journey]

Well check my post again, i referenced the 10700 (not the k) and its variations..

Well read my post properly, I said the person YOU referenced, not what YOU wrote. End of discussion, cheers!

 

[Joxeon]

Whatever makes you sleep better, you obviously meant new. You really make me laugh sometimes, you are so butt hurt about being bought the 'overpriced' 5800x you just can't let it go.

Your the one who comes across as 'butt hurt' since you wasted your time posting charts that were not relevant and then turn to personal attacks as a deflection when you realised I was right.

 

[humbug]

Every thread you find Bencher in is a cesspit of arguments and sweeping statements that are obviously made-up.

 

[Vulture]

Every thread you find Bencher in is a cesspit of arguments and sweeping statements that are obviously made-up.

He does that in every forum, troublemaker for sure, just report him and his troll posts will be deleted, or even better block him and that will hurt him, while you will enjoy clean thread without his craps.