Thierry Henry is back

Weebull said:
I'm not quite sure why you think the offer of your testicle would tempt somebody into selling you a player, but I'd quite happily kidnap Chamakh and take him to Southampton, if you promise not to.
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Deal! Testicles are safe and a striker that's under 30 and/or not afflicted by a career ending injury....
 
cheets64 said:
I bet chamack, ashavin or gevinho are like, great we can sit around and earn the wage while he does all the hard work, its a stupid move by Wenger, its going to have negative effect on moral, imagine your workplace bringing in an ex employee that was the best the companys had in decades just for a few months to help the company.

Moral boosting.
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Nope. Gevinho and co already do nothing and let RVP do everything already.
 
Loki said:
I think a lot of people are looking through rose tinted glasses here. A lot of people forget how truly average his overall play was for Arsenal in his last season. Whether you put that down to him not giving a **** or genuinely the PL being a step above beyond him, that's your call.
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You didn't watch him for Barca then, he was VERY good at Barca, just rather ignored as most people don't watch an awful lot of La liga.

Firstly in his last season at Arsenal he scored 10 goals and got 5 assists in 16 starts, in a season he was struggling with injuries. His play wasn't even slightly "average" that is completely horsecrap, the players around him were getting worse and he had more not epic games than usual, but that is basically a goal or an assist for just about every start he made... horrible season.

His first season at Barca both, he was playing less as he did at Arsenal, like Villa rather out on the wing now. He still got 12 goals and 9 assists in under 30 games, in a season that he had to gel with a new team and play in a different role. The next season he got 19 goals and 8 assists in 25 starts, scored goals in both CL games against Lyon, in the Bayern game, which got them to the final and played in the final, he also scored the first goal and the 4th which put the Barca vs Real game out of sight and won them the title for sure that season.

He was brilliant, the only "bad" year was the year after when he wasn't remotely first team and scored considerably less, but with no form and sporadic appearances that is likely to happen.

He won everything at Barca, and scored key goals in key games in all the competitions he won, can't really ask more than that can you?

jonneymendoza said:
Yea thats true. he had a average seaosn in his last but lets be honets mate, his average season he produced and made a FAR better impact on our current crop of useless *****.

The question you lot should be asking is can he play better then our current crop of players?

Look at Ryan Giggs. much older then Henry and is one of united BEST players last year and this year so far.


He wont play as great as RVP. no one is expecting that. he will however most likely play better then chamack, geivnho and ashavin. agreed?
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Giggs was cack for the majority of last year and he's been cack this season. Aside from getting a bunch of assists in a few of the games Utd have demolished opposition in key games he's been completely useless, like champs league final last year, and many games this year. He's not a central midfielder and has sucked when stuck in there, but that is where he is mainly getting games.

I don't see why he can't play as well as RVP, RVP's all around game hasn't been brilliant, certainly not bad, just his goal scoring is stand out from this season over any other season. You last point is right though, he WILL be better than those three, one, Gervinho, because he's so far ahead of Gervinho its laughable, the other two, were both doing very well before they were dropped, and crap after a year with no run in the first team....... surprising that. Henry is still better than both of them, but judge Chamakh on when he was playing consistent games, when he was out scoring and out assisting RVP, judging him while woefully out of form and not match fit because the manager won't give him games is unfair to him and ignores the reason for his poor form, Wenger.

I mean, Gervinho is playing just about every game and looks like an absolute moron on the pitch, he is as in form as you can get, he's match fit and has the managers backing, and has been woeful.

When Chamakh had the same and started games from when he joined till xmas he got what, 11 goals and 3 assists in his first 20 odd games in all competitions. Gervinho has 4 goals in the same time, and those were against some teams that would struggle in the championship.

He's not playing well now, he's not a good substitute player, he's not someone who can play one in every 4 games and keep form it would seem. That is fine not everyone is, but calling him crap when the only 3-4 month period he got consistent games he played very well is, well, rubbish.
 
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as another Arsenal fan good to see him back wearing our colours, but not expecting miracles by any chance! However he is still good enough to create chances in a game - you neaver lose the ability to change a game :).

Regardless I tihnk him being back for a couple months will help everyone and maybe impart some wisdom on the rest fo the team which can only be a good thing.
 
cheets64 said:
imagine your workplace bringing in an ex employee that was the best the companys had in decades just for a few months to help the company.

Moral boosting.
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If my company had a couple of mediocre-to-average performers going abroad for a couple of months, and then brought in an ex-employee who was very good as his job to cover their absence, I'd think great that means we've got somebody who knows what they are doing and is trustworthy in who knows the ropes of how the company operates, rather than overloading other individuals or putting somebody not up to the task into that position. To make the analogy valid we have to assume that playing as a forward for Arsenal is a fairly high end job i.e. not a receptionist, junior admin type role that could be easily filled by others within the company.
 
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drunkenmaster said:
You didn't watch him for Barca then, he was VERY good at Barca, just rather ignored as most people don't watch an awful lot of La liga.

Firstly in his last season at Arsenal he scored 10 goals and got 5 assists in 16 starts, in a season he was struggling with injuries. His play wasn't even slightly "average" that is completely horsecrap, the players around him were getting worse and he had more not epic games than usual, but that is basically a goal or an assist for just about every start he made... horrible season.

His first season at Barca both, he was playing less as he did at Arsenal, like Villa rather out on the wing now. He still got 12 goals and 9 assists in under 30 games, in a season that he had to gel with a new team and play in a different role. The next season he got 19 goals and 8 assists in 25 starts, scored goals in both CL games against Lyon, in the Bayern game, which got them to the final and played in the final, he also scored the first goal and the 4th which put the Barca vs Real game out of sight and won them the title for sure that season.

He was brilliant, the only "bad" year was the year after when he wasn't remotely first team and scored considerably less, but with no form and sporadic appearances that is likely to happen.

He won everything at Barca, and scored key goals in key games in all the competitions he won, can't really ask more than that can you?



Giggs was cack for the majority of last year and he's been cack this season. Aside from getting a bunch of assists in a few of the games Utd have demolished opposition in key games he's been completely useless, like champs league final last year, and many games this year. He's not a central midfielder and has sucked when stuck in there, but that is where he is mainly getting games.

I don't see why he can't play as well as RVP, RVP's all around game hasn't been brilliant, certainly not bad, just his goal scoring is stand out from this season over any other season. You last point is right though, he WILL be better than those three, one, Gervinho, because he's so far ahead of Gervinho its laughable, the other two, were both doing very well before they were dropped, and crap after a year with no run in the first team....... surprising that. Henry is still better than both of them, but judge Chamakh on when he was playing consistent games, when he was out scoring and out assisting RVP, judging him while woefully out of form and not match fit because the manager won't give him games is unfair to him and ignores the reason for his poor form, Wenger.
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good post mate.
 
I remember last season the media loved rolling out this stat that Chamakh had scored 1 goal in 20 appearances or something, but when I looked up the stats out of those 20 appearances he started hardly any games. Just found my post from 26th April actually:

Does annoy me a bit the way Chamakh gets bashed for his form/goal scoring record. The simple fact is he has not been given a single start in the league this year. He literally hasn't been in the pitch in the first half of ANY league match this year. In the fact the only game in which he was given more than half an hour, he got an assist. He's played a total of 154mins this year (plus injury time), or less than the equivalent of two matches.

OK fair enough he did go off the boil a bit in December, but in his first season in the league that is understandable given the workload he'd been given with RvP being out injured (more minutes than any other Arsenal player at the time I think). And up to the end of November he had a decent return of 7 goals in the league.

But these stats that get rolled out, oh Chamakh hasn't scored for x number of games, well the last 7 of those have all been secondhalf appearances, 5mins here, 11mins there - hardly surprisingly his goals have dried up.
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HangTime said:
I remember last season the media loved rolling out this stat that Chamakh had scored 1 goal in 20 appearances or something, but when I looked up the stats out of those 20 appearances he started hardly any games. Just found my post from 26th April actually:
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The problem is our formation. we play 433 with out striker so uless rvp is injured, chamack, henry etc etc will all get mimimum time onfield
 
jonneymendoza said:
The problem is our formation. we play 433 with out striker so uless rvp is injured, chamack, henry etc etc will all get mimimum time onfield
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Lots of talk about how Henry knows he can't play the proper front man role any more, and would rather play more withdrawn, ala Bergkamp. I'm thinking that means putting him at the top of the middle three, but who knows, maybe we'll go back to a 4-4-2 at times?
 
Henry's comment on his loan move back to Arsenal

'Once I knew the plan behind it I was OK with it. I am not coming here to be a hero or prove anything. I am just coming here to help. People have to understand that.
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And i think he will help out a lot as hes a legend and has won many trophies in his time for Arsenal...as ive said before him back in the squad will have a positive impact if anything...maybe he wont score any goals or maybe a few but having such a legend back in our squad can only be a good thing.
 
drunkenmaster said:
Firstly in his last season at Arsenal he scored 10 goals and got 5 assists in 16 starts, in a season he was struggling with injuries. His play wasn't even slightly "average" that is completely horsecrap, the players around him were getting worse and he had more not epic games than usual, but that is basically a goal or an assist for just about every start he made... horrible season.
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In the 05/06 season he played a silly amount of games for Arsenal, including the Champions League run and then add on top of that France making it to the World Cup Final. I don't think he was every fully fit in his last season.

Will be good to see him back if only for a short while.
 
I think Henry will be used almost exclusively from the bench unless RvP isn't playing or there are a significant number of injuries/suspensions to forward players. Realistically assuming our injured players don't recover and Wenger is going to pick a team something like this for the next league match:

.......................Chesney
Djourou...Koscielny...Mertesacker...Coquelin
..........Arteta.....Song....Ramsey
.....Walcott....Van Persie....Arshavin

Almunia
Squilacci
Miquel
Benayoun
Rosicky
Chamberlain
Henry

Switching to a 4-4-2 (as a starting formation) just doesn't seem on the cards to me because we don't have an out-and-out left winger and it would also mean having to drop one or Arteta or Ramsey. That said, our 3 first choice LBs (Vermaelen, Gibbs and Santos) and 2 first choice RBs (Sagna and Jenkinson) all being injured you could maybe argue that a 4-4-2 would give a bit more protection to the fullbacks, in particular Coquelin/Miquel and Djourou are liable to get exposed there as they are out of position and the former is inexperienced.
 
I could see Henry on the left wing cutting in and curling one to the far post. My predominant memory of Arsenal is still an attack down the left with Cole, Pires and Henry.

Jack Wilshire should be back soonish too shouldn't he?
 
dante6491 said:
I could see Henry on the left wing cutting in and curling one to the far post. My predominant memory of Arsenal is still an attack down the left with Cole, Pires and Henry.

Jack Wilshire should be back soonish too shouldn't he?
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he is much better as a left striker or just behind the front two imo, he doesnt have the pace for the wing anymore in a league with really fast right backs

kyle walker, richards, johnson, bosingwa etc.

against someone like zabaleta he could do well though.
 
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