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Cheers, i had the second interview yesterday and felt slightly more positive after speaking to someone slightly more technical. It's a tricky one as the role sounds great in some ways and worse in others. It could potentially be a good stepping stone to where i want to be though from an Implementation Consultant side though with the opportunity to roll out Adaptive to the wider business along with being heavily involved in migration of acquisitions. They also use a few other Workday packages so exposure to those would always be beneficial.

The recruiter rang me around 5:30 suggesting he had had positive feedback and was expecting an offer of some description.

However he's suggested the expected offer is slightly lower than what i'm currently on (£40k vs ~£41k) and asked how i felt about that. It doesn't particularly bother me now, but i just said i'd expect increases in the future as the role develops and obviously compounding in the future is impacted. Going to wait until i get details of a full package as that could easily be made up by a better bonus/pension.

Am hoping something comes over this afternoon so i can then spend the weekend having a decent think about things.
 
When in a previous jobs I told a director I wanted to be a project manager he said to me "Noxia, you're a loner, you prefer working alone so why do you want to be a PM?" I think this was because he was worried I was going to ask for funding to do it as well but obviously it knocked me back a bit. Told my current employer I want to be a PM day 1 on joining in a different function, within a few days I had a login for all the online APM/Prince2 courses I could do at my leisure and it was so refreshing to be supported in that way. Nearly ready to take the APM Foundation test and then I'm asking to move into a project support role to aid the next stage. It's so nice to feel a genuine response to my future career ambitions. Another reason I want to be a PM is that in my organisation most of the international postings seem to be PM related so I want to expand that option too.
I spoke to someone in the Neuro Inclusivity Network and they said a lot of autistic people gravitate towards PM and Policy roles which was encouraging too.
 
Applied for a job with a large company that I think I would be perfect for and sounds really good on paper. The closing date said the 11th May. Checked my online application status and still says 'application being processed'.....would it be too soon to contact the recruiter on LinkedIn? If I did approach her what message should I send her?
 
Amplus said:
Applied for a job with a large company that I think I would be perfect for and sounds really good on paper. The closing date said the 11th May. Checked my online application status and still says 'application being processed'.....would it be too soon to contact the recruiter on LinkedIn? If I did approach her what message should I send her?
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I'd definitely send the recruiter a message. What do you think you should say?
 
I'd get in touch too. I was in an awkward situation where i'd applied through a recruiter a few weeks ago for a role and know they're hiring generally. However i chased her on the 7th, and then again on the 14th for feedback and she's still not had anything from the company. She replied to say she'll chase up on the following Monday but then i never hear anything.

As an update for me, I thought about the offer over the weekend and decided to ask the above company if they can increase their offer to £42k to bring me in line with my current salary (allowing for some benefits i'd lose). If they can increase to that i'm going to accept. I think it sets me up well for my future career plan in implementation. I'd lose out on that initial planning experience i'd get with my current role, but they already use the software to a higher degree than my current firm are intending to with plans for additional features. There's also be rolls outs to other companies within the group and also working on acquisitions and integrating them into the group which i've always enjoyed in the past.
 
@Martynt74 I wouldn't be moving companies in the current climate unless there's a significant change to salary or the job is a decent promotion. Unless of course you're extremely unhappy where you are.
 
Martynt74 said:
As an update for me, I thought about the offer over the weekend and decided to ask the above company if they can increase their offer to £42k to bring me in line with my current salary (allowing for some benefits i'd lose). If they can increase to that i'm going to accept. I think it sets me up well for my future career plan in implementation. I'd lose out on that initial planning experience i'd get with my current role, but they already use the software to a higher degree than my current firm are intending to with plans for additional features. There's also be rolls outs to other companies within the group and also working on acquisitions and integrating them into the group which i've always enjoyed in the past.
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I'd make sure you were clear with your career aspirations up front with them as well. Moving for the same money is fine for long-term goals, but if you're going to have zero chance of that in that new role, you've hit an instant ceiling.

Noxia said:
"Noxia, you're a loner, you prefer working alone so why do you want to be a PM?" I think this was because he was worried I was going to ask for funding to do it as well but obviously it knocked me back a bit. Told my current employer I want to be a PM day 1 on joining in a different function, within a few days I had a login for all the online APM/Prince2 courses I could do at my leisure and it was so refreshing to be supported in that way. Nearly ready to take the APM Foundation test and then I'm asking to move into a project support role to aid the next stage. It's so nice to feel a genuine response to my future career ambitions. Another reason I want to be a PM is that in my organisation most of the international postings seem to be PM related so I want to expand that option too.
I spoke to someone in the Neuro Inclusivity Network and they said a lot of autistic people gravitate towards PM and Policy roles which was encouraging too.
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Wow what a stark difference there. I can't quite believe that was what your previous employer said! Well, I can actually, but it's still shocking!
 
Yeah i've been fairly clear both with them and the recruiter where my plans lie. My career end goal would be working in a consultancy capacity so unlikely to happen with this company, but 2-3 years in this role would certainly give me a better footing to move over to an implementation consultant role than where i am now and being fairly specific about the software platform i want to work with it's a very niche area.

My current company is so poorly setup, that trying to build standardised reporting is insanely difficult as everything is very segmented and requires lots of manual fixes and there seems to be no appetite to fix that. Things get implemented in a half assed manor and then forgotten about because they don't work.

There's also the scope for a decent bit of travel around Europe working with both existing firms and new acquisitions as the group is absolutely huge. Their current market cap is $36bn to so there's huge scope to move within the company if i wanted to. Whereas there's zero room for progression where i'm at.

I accept it comes with it's own set of risks, but i think it aligns to my long terms goals which i'm fairly firmly set on now. For the last 15 years i've generally just gone with the flow and let managers/recruiters lead my path and having since gone for that Software trainer jobs last month, it's re-lit a fire that i need to push myself down a path to get to where i'd like rather than just being comfortable.
 
Martynt74 said:
I accept it comes with it's own set of risks, but i think it aligns to my long terms goals which i'm fairly firmly set on now. For the last 15 years i've generally just gone with the flow and let managers/recruiters lead my path and having since gone for that Software trainer jobs last month, it's re-lit a fire that i need to push myself down a path to get to where i'd like rather than just being comfortable.
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It sounds like it! It's like it's given you a glimpse of what's out there and what's possible which has given you some direction which is wicked!
 
Yeah, i've also found myself caring increasingly less about things accountants are supposed to care about. "You were meant to bill this in March, why's it been deferred to April?". Honestly couldn't care, as long as it gets billed eventually that's all that matters!

A move more towards the systems side is definitely needed!

It's also worth adding that the new company is an IT software firm and so there's always the possibility of moving towards an implementation consultant role with their software which is closely linked to Microsoft Dynamics GP rather than with Workday should that opportunity appear.
 
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@Martynt74 I wouldn't be moving companies in the current climate unless there's a significant change to salary or the job is a decent promotion. Unless of course you're extremely unhappy where you are.
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This time last year maybe but the economy seems to be picking up quite a lot recently so now seems a good time to move.

Jobs I've applied for are pretty much the same salary wise more of a sideward move as it's a slightly.new field I'm looking to move into and after 7 years in the same job can't see me ever progressing anytime soon since I haven't progressed at all within the company
 
randomshenans said:
Wow what a stark difference there. I can't quite believe that was what your previous employer said! Well, I can actually, but it's still shocking!
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Yep, that's not embellished either, that is word for word. I was good friends with the HR manager and she couldn't comprehend how she was supposed to go to a director and feed that back to him had I wanted her to do so. It was a bit of a backwards place, family run company that then went into a bit more corporate as it was sold to some investors.
 
randomshenans said:
Wow what a stark difference there. I can't quite believe that was what your previous employer said! Well, I can actually, but it's still shocking!
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I don't see anything shocking about it, sounds more like a legitimate query. For all we know Noxia may well prefer working on his own or give off that impression.
 
BF-Bert said:
I don't see anything shocking about it, sounds more like a legitimate query. For all we know Noxia may well prefer working on his own or give off that impression.
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Worded like that? There are certain ways for a company or manager to ask things and that wouldn't be one I would lead with tbf
 
BF-Bert said:
How would you word it? I don't see anything "shocking" about it, direct yes, but he was given the opportunity to state his case.
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"Noxia, you're a loner, you prefer working alone so why do you want to be a PM?"
Would be much more palatable as:
"Noxia, I'm interested in your desire to be a PM. What about this role interests you the most?" and get into a discussion to understand ones' motivations vs. their current responsibilities and previous activities.
 
randomshenans said:
"Noxia, you're a loner, you prefer working alone so why do you want to be a PM?"
Would be much more palatable as:
"Noxia, I'm interested in your desire to be a PM. What about this role interests you the most?" and get into a discussion to understand ones' motivations vs. their current responsibilities and previous activities.
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Yes much nicer but not addressing his main concern which was the perception of preferring to work alone. By stating that it gave Noxia the perfect opportunity to address that potential issue.
 
BF-Bert said:
Yes much nicer but not addressing his main concern which was the perception of preferring to work alone. By stating that it gave Noxia the perfect opportunity to address that potential issue.
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If you read the full sentence, you'd see I said "and that would get into a discussion to understand one's motivations..." which covers the concerns around this. You can talk to people without being a ****. Calling one of your employees a loner makes you sound like a ****.
 
randomshenans said:
If you read the full sentence, you'd see I said "and that would get into a discussion to understand one's motivations..." which covers the concerns around this. You can talk to people without being a ****. Calling one of your employees a loner makes you sound like a ****.
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Loner is hardly an insult so I do see where you get the Director being a **** from. It seems to have been a key concern and as such he was quite right to bring it up at the start of the conversation regarding a management post. Yes they could have gone round the houses discussing motivations and the like but at some point the Director's perception of Noxia being someone who preferred working alone would have to be addressed so why not get it out of the way at the outset.

I guess some industries work in different ways, in mine a direct and honest approach works best.
 
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