This Business and Moment...

Last two days have been an information sponge. Already pointed out a critical issue on day 1 that they have already have planned to address. Next week it's the senior team.
 
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AIBU?

PM me hun.

Short version.
I am in a senior leadership role, I report to the MD. I have been at the company for just under 4 years. Small company (45 FTE)

I was hired as an in-office worker, and we used to be an office based company.
During Covid, I moved abroad and became our first experimental truly remote worker - albeit on a temporary basis.
This arrangement has since become permanent, and I now have a new contract and so on that reflects this.
Since my change of circumstance, all of our subsequent hires have been on a "remote first" basis - hence we have people working for us from all across the UK (and me abroad)

We're having a company get together/activity day in the UK in a few weeks.
I have been told my travel will not be paid for and if I want to come, then I need to self fund this.

Am I right to feel aggrieved about this, or is it just tough luck?
 
I just think it's a ****** move, especially for team culture etc. I'd expect people to want teams to come together and the value of that is great. It's not like he's flying in from Australia.
 
Lopéz said:
Anyone fancy a Mumsnet conversation?

AIBU?

PM me hun.

Short version.
I am in a senior leadership role, I report to the MD. I have been at the company for just under 4 years. Small company (45 FTE)

I was hired as an in-office worker, and we used to be an office based company.
During Covid, I moved abroad and became our first experimental truly remote worker - albeit on a temporary basis.
This arrangement has since become permanent, and I now have a new contract and so on that reflects this.
Since my change of circumstance, all of our subsequent hires have been on a "remote first" basis - hence we have people working for us from all across the UK (and me abroad)

We're having a company get together/activity day in the UK in a few weeks.
I have been told my travel will not be paid for and if I want to come, then I need to self fund this.

Am I right to feel aggrieved about this, or is it just tough luck?
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Self funding any work travel is a no-no in my view. If work want me to travel somewhere, they pay for it!

A lot of factors would come into the decision though, pay for one remote employee to attend, you kinda have to pay for them all, budgets yada yada.
 
Lopéz said:
This arrangement has since become permanent, and I now have a new contract and so on that reflects this.
Since my change of circumstance, all of our subsequent hires have been on a "remote first" basis - hence we have people working for us from all across the UK (and me abroad)

We're having a company get together/activity day in the UK in a few weeks.
I have been told my travel will not be paid for and if I want to come, then I need to self fund this.
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Just wondering, because you have a new contract and you're overseas are you still an employee? I'm assuming it might be easier for a company to have you working as a self-employed contractor in the case where you're the sole person in a given country as presumably, that would involve less faff with foreign employment laws.

So IF you're now actually a contractor then meh, it's probably correct that they don't pay for your flight etc.. but nice they invited you. If however you're not a contractor then it's a bit iffy, they probably should pay if you're invited.

I guess they could say it's for the UK office staff and you're the [virtual] [whatever country you're in] staff. IF they were a larger company then they'd not necessarily expect staff from the French office or NYC office say to fly over and attend the London Christmas party unless they happened to be working in London at the time.
 
dowie said:
Just wondering, because you have a new contract and you're overseas are you still an employee? I'm assuming it might be easier for a company to have you working as a self-employed contractor in the case where you're the sole person in a given country as presumably, that would involve less faff with foreign employment laws.

So IF you're now actually a contractor then meh, it's probably correct that they don't pay for your flight etc.. but nice they invited you. If however you're not a contractor then it's a bit iffy, they probably should pay if you're invited.

I guess they could say it's for the UK office staff and you're the [virtual] [whatever country you're in] staff. IF they were a larger company then they'd not necessarily expect staff from the French office or NYC office say to fly over and attend the London Christmas party unless they happened to be working in London at the time.
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I'm not a contractor.

To be a contractor and only work for one "customer" is called Scheinselbstständigkeit here and it's illegal.
 
How much are the travel costs?
It might just be that they are being wary, they don't want you expensing taxis to and from airports, business class flights, posh hotel etc. If you can figure out how much it costs and it's a reasonable figure maybe they would consider funding it. e.g. I imagine UK travel could run into the low hundreds so depending on specifics it might not be *that* much more expensive to travel from Vienna compared to Scotland, Cornwall or whatever.
 
Frustrating week - was made an offer last Friday verbally which I then asked if there was any movement on RSU's as I will be leaving 40k unvested at my current place. I still haven't got a new offer yet due to the hiring team being stateside and the VP being out of office. Apparently, they are having a meeting to discuss (Pacific Time) today, but because I am working via the UK based recruiter, I won't get an update until Tuesday now! Beginning to wish I didn't bother and just gave the go ahead for paperwork last week as this was literally the only area of the offer that I thought was worth negotiating and in the grand scheme is fairly small!
 
Absolutely love wasting my time, when you set salary expectations which are 'fine' and 'inline' with the internal recruiter and then after multiple interviews and hours you get an offer and suddenly your salary expectations are no longer fine or inline. What an absolute waste of time.
 
Are there any websites or tools I can use to compare my salary to inflation over say the last few years?

I have a review coming up and i want to see objectively whether my fairly negligible pay rises mean I am now relatively-speaking making less than 5 years ago.
 
DB_SamX said:
Are there any websites or tools I can use to compare my salary to inflation over say the last few years?

I have a review coming up and i want to see objectively whether my fairly negligible pay rises mean I am now relatively-speaking making less than 5 years ago.
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www.bankofengland.co.uk

Inflation calculator

Use our inflation calculator to check how prices in the UK have changed over time, from 1209 to now.
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Any good for you?
 
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