Maybe I didn't explain that very well....there will be a valid reason why they are acting out of turn....people don't just act up for no reason. There'll be something that caused it, you'll need to either find out what it is, or simply speak to them along the lines of "you've obviously got something bothering you, I don't need to know the details, but you need to know that behaving in that manner isn't acceptable, so let me know if I need to do something to make sure it doesn't happen again.
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That people don't tend to act up for no reason doesn't mean there is necessarily a "valid" reason for doing so.
There doesn't necessarily have to be something that has "caused" it either, as per my previous reply people have agency in how they deal with or react to things... it totally depends, you certainly don't need to act like all behaviours are valid or should be pandered to, nor is it necessarily you who needs to change to make sure unreasonable behaviour doesn't occur in future, essentially:
Sometimes people are out of order and it isn't valid and they need to change their behaviour!
There doesn't necessarily have to be something that has "caused" it either, as per my previous reply people have agency in how they deal with or react to things... it totally depends, you certainly don't need to act like all behaviours are valid or should be pandered to, nor is it necessarily you who needs to change to make sure unreasonable behaviour doesn't occur in future, essentially:
Sometimes people are out of order and it isn't valid and they need to change their behaviour!
I've been on this forum long enough to not get drawn into a drawn out debate with you over semantics
I've been on this forum long enough to not get drawn into a drawn out debate with you over semantics
LOL it's not semantics, I'm just objecting to this "everyone is valid" type thinking, I dunno if maybe you picked it up from some hippie type on a dubious management training course and just accepted it at face value but I think it's worth objecting to as that sort of line of thinking isn't generally helpful within organisations.
You need to take the thick with the thin. As soon as you get onto a big project (aka a meat grinder project which is basically like hunger games) you'll be thankful for 2-3 weeks on the bench. It is built into the day rates how hot you should be.4 months into my fully remote role that I took on as part of us moving location (moved from near London up to Yorkshire, previous role required me to be in the office).
Just not really feeling it, it's quite a difference from previous roles having worked in internally facing IT teams and now have joined a consultancy. Was promised the prospect of working with huge clients on big projects but 4 months in I'm just sat around on the bench doing training and managing my team. Updated my CV and Linkedin and already seen some interesting roles so I'm most likely not going to try and stick it out in this current role, it's been interesting to see how an IT consulting company operates but it's enough to know it probably isn't for me.
Quite nice to have a new job market to look around rather than just being London focused, lots going on in Leeds.
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Applying for an internal role that's being created... Trying to decide whether to update my CV or write one from scratch. On the one hand, this one from 2017 and updated 2020, got me my 2 previous roles in the company. On the other hand it just feels so stale to chop and change such dated information. CVs always make me feel boring, there are only so many ways to rephrase things 
I am a lazy person though. For now, having a go at the update.
I am a lazy person though. For now, having a go at the update.
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I had my work appraisals and was told there are rumours going around I’m unhappy at work at the moment , I’m looking for a new job, I want to get sacked, blah blah blah (not the case I don’t want to get sacked at all). Now I am slightly unhappy at work due to me not having much work to do so I have to go around asking different team leaders if there is any work they need doing (I can cover multiple departments) but there is nothing for me to do most of the time, the more skilled jobs there is no capacity for someone else to train up and do those jobs, which I want to do.
Not sure wether to move on or stick it out as they did say they expect it to be a busy year so I could potentially have a lot more work to do.
I’ve been offered a job back at the company I worked for previously (left due to pay rise issues) they contacted me asking if ide consider going back and if I would go tomorrow to look at the job they are offering and discuss wages etc.
Not sure wether to move on or stick it out as they did say they expect it to be a busy year so I could potentially have a lot more work to do.
I’ve been offered a job back at the company I worked for previously (left due to pay rise issues) they contacted me asking if ide consider going back and if I would go tomorrow to look at the job they are offering and discuss wages etc.
Can't hurt to hear them out.
Notice period time.....good thing I rather like writing documentation as I'm doing the usual handover stuff.
Really can't wait to start the new job, this one has been...fine, but not really challenging, and I've missed the management side. Will be so good to have a team again and be back working at a big studio, and actually getting out of the house!
Really can't wait to start the new job, this one has been...fine, but not really challenging, and I've missed the management side. Will be so good to have a team again and be back working at a big studio, and actually getting out of the house!
Totally hear you, I'm in a similar situation - moved to this company in June last year and by September I'd basically made my mind up that it was time to gtfo. Problem is, between then and now - the market had a bit of a wobble, and Christmas was notirously slow.. But yeah - in that time I've basically "quiet quit", I can't stand the place.
Got a final interview for a really good position later, I've been interviewing for over a month with them, I know I'm down to the last 2-3 so it's all to play for. If it falls through I'll be gutted, but I'll just need to tell myself that I'm well rehearsed at interviewing, and the competition is very stiff at the moment, but - I know I'm right up there.
Things should start to pick up in the job market from March/April onwards, so it might be worth looking to move to something a bit more suitable for you, especially after 4 years.
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Has anyone got any experience moving from a permanent role at a company to a contractor role at the same company?
I'm in the process of relocating so applied to jobs based on knowing my role at my current company required me to be in the office a few days a week - and I'm relocating to where that's not viable.
I now have a job offer at another company to accept / reject. My current company has asked if I'd consider staying and working in a contractor role if they could offer me a package that would work for both of us.
They've mentioned the contracting piece as it would mean they can get around not having the required office based days etc. and we'd agree the package/contract together and what sort of expectation there would be to come to the office and how frequently.
I've been at my current company for just over 10 years. I enjoy my job, I've had some great progression here and if we weren't set on relocating then I'd likely not be looking to move jobs anytime soon.
I'm comfortable negotiating on salary but I've never even considered the idea of becoming a contractor, what it means from a limited company/self employed side and IR35 (???). I've done a bit of reading up on everything to get myself comfortable with my options but was just interested to see if anyone had done something similar and what sort of implications/benefits/downsides there are to it.
I'm in the process of relocating so applied to jobs based on knowing my role at my current company required me to be in the office a few days a week - and I'm relocating to where that's not viable.
I now have a job offer at another company to accept / reject. My current company has asked if I'd consider staying and working in a contractor role if they could offer me a package that would work for both of us.
They've mentioned the contracting piece as it would mean they can get around not having the required office based days etc. and we'd agree the package/contract together and what sort of expectation there would be to come to the office and how frequently.
I've been at my current company for just over 10 years. I enjoy my job, I've had some great progression here and if we weren't set on relocating then I'd likely not be looking to move jobs anytime soon.
I'm comfortable negotiating on salary but I've never even considered the idea of becoming a contractor, what it means from a limited company/self employed side and IR35 (???). I've done a bit of reading up on everything to get myself comfortable with my options but was just interested to see if anyone had done something similar and what sort of implications/benefits/downsides there are to it.
Yeah there is always a lot of movement April onwards after financial year end as people want to stay for pay reviews and bonuses which hit then.
They can get around not having the required office based days by....not having the required office based days, you don't need to go contract.
IR35 would definitely apply to you here, staying at the same company but moving from permie to contractor - you'd be very appealing to a HMRC investigation!
Could be worth looking for an agency who would represent you, but it's definitely worth doing some research and doing an assessment, this website is full of great info - https://www.contractorcalculator.co.uk/ir35.aspx
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Yup, this was my initial response. Adjusting my existing full time contract to a fully remote contract would be my preference, I think they're worried about the implication across the rest of the business where they've tried to be quite set on the office days requirement.
It's one of the points to be discussed, I'd rather not go contract if I don't have to. I'm also worried about mortgage implications too. We're selling our house where we live currently and moving into rented where we're relocating to - so I'm not too sure how that then effects applying for a mortgage if I'm contract.
Yeah, I've done a bit more reading into IR35 and essentially I'd be doing exactly what IR35 was designed to cover! It does give me some potential leverage to ensure that any contract/package means I'm no worse off but I'm going to have a bit more of a read through that website, thanks for the link, super useful.
In my experience, the only thing stopping these 100% set in stone rules from being changed, is just a case of someone in HR saying so.
I got 20 days paid holiday in a contract role once....I just said it was a condition of me taking the job, so it happened.
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Yeah, it's absolutely a rule that's come from HR and possibly could be adjusted if I make it an absolute condition of me accepting any offer.
I guess it depends on how much they actually want me to stay vs. me accepting the other job offer and calling it a day.
I don't mind moving to a contract role if they pay through the nose. I feel in a good position with it all. I have a job offer I need to decide on by next week, and if my current company can't offer me something that works then we go from there!
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