Seems we're in a similar spot, whats your plan on the pay situation? You going to hold firm on your asking or would you consider taking the role and hoping for a future pay bump?
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Soldato
A few angles -
Lay down my 4 concrete justifications for more pay first (line managing, responsible for lab resource, representing company to outside partners, losing home-working) and push back that I'd like a figure starting with a 5 not a 4.
Then point out that 2 of my colleagues with the same title as me and same age etc, were on 5xk and 6xk recently before moving on. So I was looking at this sort of figure for my next move regardless of increased responsibilities.
Then if they can't go beyond that, I'm going to propose going 4 days a week for that pay. Which might be a hard sell but realistically, I'll be almost as productive on 4 days so it's a good way to make their numbers work for me.
It's a little bit of a tricky conversation and might be an email back and forth process, or hopefully just an in-person conversation tomorrow at the office. I have to stick to my guns a bit as it WILL be more work/stress. I was hoping for 62k, I'm on 39 now and they offered 44. So a bit of a gulf between my expectations and theirs.
I asked the hiring manager his opinion and he said there might be a 6 month sort of "probation" after which we might modify things. But I'd want that in writing e.g. "After passing probation with these criteria, I will move to 4 days per week at no pay reduction". His advice was think of a 300-400 per month take-home increase and whether than would satisfy me.
I'm prepared to walk away and I'll try to hold onto that rather than sell myself short.
Thats quite a gap between expectation and offer. Always worth doing a search for similar job roles and being able to illustrate external benchmarks. This is the stage I'm at with my one, I'm going for a role that is Head of X and Y and I've been able to find comparitive Head of X roles in line with what I've been offered to take on both X and Y. Y isn't a massive amount of work at our place, but its easily enough to justify another £15k.
I'm already on 4 day flexible working (although extended hours) and permenant remote work so there are no other negotiating points for me.
Always worth getting the 'we'll look at it in 6 months' thing in writing, I've been screwed on that before.
Soldato
100%, "Let's see in 6 months" is a getout.
I spoke to a colleague and he said negotiating hours and salary i.e. 4 days for full pay, is very much now or never. Requesting to go part time later will definitely be considered a pro-rated salary in HR eyes.
Sounds like you've justified you 15k extra so fingers crossed!
No bad advice so far. Don't underestimate the "I'll really have to look elsewhere" statement in the salary negotiation phase too. If the costs of being in the office are X, I'd at least ask for X*2.
At the end of the day the company should be willing to quantify/pay risk mitigation of you not leaving them, too.
At the end of the day the company should be willing to quantify/pay risk mitigation of you not leaving them, too.
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Huge IT issues at our place. Our head head companies servers have been down since Monday.
This has taken out the finance system and all reporting software.
It’s quarter end and this has so far been hugely impactful as we’ve had no systems since the March close. Our close deadlines are usually fairly tight and just had an email to say it’s not going to be back up until Monday at the earliest after a few days of “it won’t be tomorrow but will keep you updated”.
Really curious what could’ve happened. This is a company with ~35bn revenue so It’s got to be something catastrophic.
This has taken out the finance system and all reporting software.
It’s quarter end and this has so far been hugely impactful as we’ve had no systems since the March close. Our close deadlines are usually fairly tight and just had an email to say it’s not going to be back up until Monday at the earliest after a few days of “it won’t be tomorrow but will keep you updated”.
Really curious what could’ve happened. This is a company with ~35bn revenue so It’s got to be something catastrophic.
Cleaner vacuuming the DC like in the British Airways case?
Sounds like they didn't properly invest in or test BCDR.
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We had something loosely similar in 2019 - we just lost all access to all reporting tools, all internal ERP systems, absolutely everything for almost 2 weeks.
Our parent company are based in the US so everything is funnelled from them - turns out a group of people had literally cut through all of the AT&T network cables in a protest at net neutrality in the US and had just taken everything completely offline.
The one benefit we had is that we'd only been acquired a few years before so we still had previous systems in place we could roll onto temporarily to keep things ticking over - still, a mad couple of weeks.
Soldato
Could be something similar. The head company are based in Toronto and the data centre is hosted in Houston.
Our Finance system and reporting package is still hosted on a central server rather than being cloud based. So I assume it’s something like that as opposed to an update gone wrong.
Luckily we do have our forecasting tool cloud based so people can work on that, but without proper Q1 figures it’s not as simple and will require a lot of reworking.
Hopefully we get details once it’s all resolved.
Our Finance system and reporting package is still hosted on a central server rather than being cloud based. So I assume it’s something like that as opposed to an update gone wrong.
Luckily we do have our forecasting tool cloud based so people can work on that, but without proper Q1 figures it’s not as simple and will require a lot of reworking.
Hopefully we get details once it’s all resolved.
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Soldato
Update - Seems it's Cyber related, and whilst they're hopeful of Monday, it *could* take a further week. Least it makes for a stress free Easter weekend 
One of those "if you don't send me 50BTC to this address, I'll send the company videos of you spaffing while watching pronhub at work" situations?
Soldato
Hopefully not videos of me
Soldato
Well if you don't want the videos stop spaffing at work on the downtimeHopefully not videos of me
PM me if they want to open discussions on BCDR and Ransomware Recovery.Update - Seems it's Cyber related, and whilst they're hopeful of Monday, it *could* take a further week. Least it makes for a stress free Easter weekend
Soldato
Haha i'm sure their IT team would appreciate a suggestion from a lowly accountant!PM me if they want to open discussions on BCDR and Ransomware Recovery.
More often than not, funding for this sort of stuff is after the fact, because the budget holders take the view of 'it's never happened before and it's an expensive solution so nah'. And then it happens and it can utterly destroy companies, I've personally seen the fallout for it, so I feel for your IT team.
Well that didn't take long, revised salary was offered to me verbally today and will be in writing by next week.
Bang in line with my expectations, no complaints from me, I should be in the role in a couple of weeks.
Never had something go so smoothly.
Soldato
Great result!
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I spoke to HR director today, she was pretty understanding/agreed with my points about responsibility leveling up and it being a promotion not a payrise. I think she's fairly on board but obvs can only offer me so much.
She seemed reasonably ok with "If hiring manager says it's ok then I'm fine with it" about changing hours. So she's had a chat with him this afternoon and she'll do some working out next week. So I'll have to wait about a week for an outcome!
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