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Do you have an idea of what kind of job you'd want to do when working from home?
That’s the problem, absolutely no idea
I’ve been a factory worker since I was 19 so it’s time for a change.
Bang on attitude.
Caporegime
Well sadly the offer wasn't good enough. Which is a shame.
Had to go through the fun process of completing initial paperwork for the company who provided the original offer. You'd think a multi £bn organisation would have a better way of doing HR processes, sending out non-editable PDFs doesn't seem like the best approach.
Man of Honour
I'm not sure you are going about this the right way. I'd think about a job that you can enjoy that also permits working from home, rather than the other way around.That’s the problem, absolutely no idea
I’ve been a factory worker since I was 19 so it’s time for a change.
You should also consider how this could be viewed by a prospective employer in an interview situation.
"Hello, I've been working in a factory for years and years in a directly supervised role, so I was wondering if you'd give me a job in a field in which I likely have zero experience and also trust me to port myself into a completely new, unsupervised and unfamiliar environment in which to do it"
"Yeah, don't call us, we'll call you"
Man of Honour
Alright so update on the interviews mentioned before. I withdrew the MoD one of course as the offer was non-negotiable so it didn't suit me. And the BAE internal one ended up being interesting and I'm left curious. It turns out they have picked another candidate with what I guess is more experience for that role, which is fine, but what annoyed me was the fact that the hiring manager stated my interview was a success during the taster day, and stated it's down to me if I feel the role is right for me after both taster days, so I was expecting formal paperwork to follow this past week. The extra annoying thing was that the hiring manager didn't bother to respond to messages or emails at all as I was checking for updates and things the past week...
The internal talent recruitment rep gave me the feedback and also told me that a higher up requested me to get in touch with them directly to discuss another opportunity that they feel is more suited to me. I have never met the higher up and they were not part of the interview/taster days process above so I guess they caught wind of my application and interview somehow.
I reached out today to the person and they have booked in a 45 minutes catch-up to discuss in-person at the HQ's cafe next week.
I'm really quite intrigued about this as have literally no idea what it could be about. It's a higher up in the exec branch so I guess whatever they have in mind is within that area of business.
So either way, for now I continue my current role which offers 3 days WFH, so that remains a plus whereas the one I was going for was 5 days in office
The internal talent recruitment rep gave me the feedback and also told me that a higher up requested me to get in touch with them directly to discuss another opportunity that they feel is more suited to me. I have never met the higher up and they were not part of the interview/taster days process above so I guess they caught wind of my application and interview somehow.
I reached out today to the person and they have booked in a 45 minutes catch-up to discuss in-person at the HQ's cafe next week.
I'm really quite intrigued about this as have literally no idea what it could be about. It's a higher up in the exec branch so I guess whatever they have in mind is within that area of business.
So either way, for now I continue my current role which offers 3 days WFH, so that remains a plus whereas the one I was going for was 5 days in office
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45mins is quite a long time for a catch-up / informal discussion so I'd go into that prepared to talk at some length about what your ambitions are etc. It might be as much a two-way conversation as them pitching a specific role to you.
Man of Honour
This is what I'm mentally preparing for, although hard to know what to prepare for as the subject matter could be anything I guess!
Starting my new job tomorrow and with it a return to regular (2 days a week) commuting for the first time since March 2020. Bit of an unusual feeling, in a way I'm more apprehensive about the 'weirdness' of going into a massive open plan office and not knowing anyone than I am the actual job itself. My manager is based overseas and I won't have my own team yet, so I have visions of sitting down at a random desk and not speaking to anyone face-to-face with different neighbours every day, but let's see how it pans out. I've never been faced with this before, joining a new company has always been either remote (of late) or basically sitting with a team consistently 4-5 days a week so you get accustomed to the environment a lot quicker.
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Just think of all of the collaboration that you'll have with your colleagues in the office!
/s. What a waste of time.
Haha well I'll reserve judgement 
. It's the type of job where stakeholder management will play a reasonable part so I'm not against f2f collab, but it's all just a big unknown until I get started in terms of who I'll be interacting with, how often, will we overlap in the office appropriately. I wrote a reasonably long diatribe about why I think hybrid working is the worst of both worlds (especially in a matrix structure where it's hard to co-ordinate office time across a spidersweb of org structures) a year or two back unless the organisation explicitly focusses very hard on making it work, it won't be a success organically.
. It's the type of job where stakeholder management will play a reasonable part so I'm not against f2f collab, but it's all just a big unknown until I get started in terms of who I'll be interacting with, how often, will we overlap in the office appropriately. I wrote a reasonably long diatribe about why I think hybrid working is the worst of both worlds (especially in a matrix structure where it's hard to co-ordinate office time across a spidersweb of org structures) a year or two back unless the organisation explicitly focusses very hard on making it work, it won't be a success organically.
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I would never have taken the job if it was fulltime in the office, it's around a 4.5hr round-trip. Also full time in the office is only really more effective if the majority of people you interact with are doing the same; if you are 5 days and week and others are 2 days a week, really all you are doing is hybrid working with an extra 3 days of travel.
Soldato
Are you going to stay the "middle night" in a hotel?
It's even more perplexing when you work in an office but none of your colleagues live in the same state, and your immediate boss doesn't live in the same country.
That was my case when I worked for my previous employer. Thankfully, going into the office was an optional thing, and I only did that when there was a holiday celebration and I had something to get out of it. I would have most certainly quit a long time ago if any time in the office was mandated.I've looked into it but London hotel prices have gone through the roof compared to pre-covid when I used to stay over sometimes. Like finding somewhere acceptable for under £80 seems really hard now, the places I used to stay for like £40-60 are now over £100. Maybe it's due to summer hols or something.
So looking up the immediate leadership team I'll be on, none of them seem to be based in my office, and only one in the same continent.It's even more perplexing when you work in an office but none of your colleagues live in the same state, and your immediate boss doesn't live in the same country.
I'm not averse to remote but am to hybrid (from a theoretical perspective, in practice for me as an individual it is better than fully in office), it is difficult to do well, in my opinion it carries many of the disadvantages of both in person and remote working styles (hence "worst of both worlds"), it isn't as simple as just saying "x days per week/month in the office" it needs actual planning:
- Meetings involving both in person and remote attendees need more effective chairing and don't tend to flow as well as fully in person or fully remote. Remote attendees get worse audio and less parity of attention in hybrid meetings unless well chaired. To be fair this has been a long-standing issue even before remote working took off due to VCs between different offices. I wrote about an example of this about 18 months ago: https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/your-work-situation.18880544/post-35405383
- Going to the office means a worse working environment for the meetings that are held remotely because you'll have a smaller monitor, background noise etc compared to being at home.
- To benefit from physical proximity you need to have effective schedules such that you are in proximity with the right people. But often office days won't overlap or if they do there might be other factors getting in the way. With complex matrix org structures where you need to interact with people across different departments, its not as simple as saying "oh team X goes in Tuesday and Thursday, team Y does Tuesday and Wednesday"
- Hybrid requires office space that can accommodate the peak attendance, resulting in underutilisation at other times (e.g. Mondays and Fridays) so is inefficient
- Cost of travel to office compared to remote
- This is compounded by the fact it's massively cost inefficient to travel on a part time basis. Cost of travelling 2 days a week is about 90% of the cost for 5 days a week for me (i.e. cost per journey more than doubles). The majority of travel cost is covered by my employer but someone has to pay for it.
- Employee wasted time travelling compared to remote
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