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Maccy said:
I’m fairly sure once you hand in your notice, then yeh that’s it - you lose all eligibility for bonuses, raises etc.
Might even be in your contract or a staff handbook
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No staff handbook it's a shower of an organisation.

Ah well, not the end the of the world, annoying as technically I'm still employed, and before christmas a little extra cash would have been nice! But I guess as you and dowie have said since I've quit I guess they have no reason to honour the 6 months of work I gave them.

They're giving people the minimum statutory legal redundancy and almost forced people to take holiday so that they wouldn't have to pay out either. They're scum.
 
Freefaller said:
Even though the payrise is backdated back to March? i.e. I should have got it from March but the agreement only came through owing to the new budget.

Have to say I'm not going to miss the public sector.
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I think you'd need to check the contract - I guess things like maybe a union agreement or some public sector rise you perhaps may have some situations where stuff is backdated. For example in the Armed forces/reserves, someone might get promoted and have it backdated, if they subsequently handed their kit in then there isn't really a notice period but if the promotion was confirmed and backdated they'd still be owed pay IIRC.

If anything it's more the private sector where you'd very likely not be eligible for an annual pay rise or bonus if your notice was already handed in - that's why people typically wait until after their bonuses have been paid or negotiate either a guaranteed end of year bonus that isn't prorated or a signing bonus with the new employer if that employer isn't otherwise willing to wait until after their bonus has been paid.
 
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I think you're right it's probably a contractual thing. I'm sure they're doing what they need to do and can do to minimise payouts.

I'm only having a pop as it's been a horrendous company to work for and get anything done, riddled in politics and front stabbing and back stabbing. Really frustrating! In previous roles I've had more fun and success despite it being corporate private sector.

Thanks for the info I just wanted to see if they were trying to screw people over!
 
Freefaller said:
No staff handbook it's a shower of an organisation.

Ah well, not the end the of the world, annoying as technically I'm still employed, and before christmas a little extra cash would have been nice! But I guess as you and dowie have said since I've quit I guess they have no reason to honour the 6 months of work I gave them.

They're giving people the minimum statutory legal redundancy and almost forced people to take holiday so that they wouldn't have to pay out either. They're scum.
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I think it sounds like you’re doing well to leave then!
 
Maccy said:
I think it sounds like you’re doing well to leave then!
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Yep.

Bit of an update I spoke to an ally in HR who has spoken with the legal team, they're going to ensure I get the backdated pay!

So I've escaped a **** show but it just proves no matter how toxic the execs and parts of the business if you build up good relationships at work things will help you out when you need it.
 
Freefaller said:
Yep.

Bit of an update I spoke to an ally in HR who has spoken with the legal team, they're going to ensure I get the backdated pay!

So I've escaped a **** show but it just proves no matter how toxic the execs and parts of the business if you build up good relationships at work things will help you out when you need it.
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Glad that it's working out. Did you decide to hoof it to Saudi?
 
NickK said:
Glad that it's working out. Did you decide to hoof it to Saudi?
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Still on the table. If I didn't have kids I'd be there by now. At the moment the financials are a little average if I go it would be mainly for career/experience.

I'd have to spend a fair bit of money to get the house ready for rent which wouldn't be cheap it's very much a lived in home, and would need to put a shed load into storage too.

It's a numbers game at the moment. The amount I'd save in the first year would be roughly the cost of redecorating the house. Unless we decide to live in a smaller flat in Riyadh but if I'm relocating my family I want to enjoy living in a decent place and unfortunately that's a fair bit of money but then you get all the amenities like gyms, and facilities that you'd normally pay for so it's like paying for all inclusive sort of rent.

The job itself is quite interesting although unfortunately working for an American project management consultancy so the work/life balance is likely to be skewed towards work which for a few years is fine.

In short, it's still an option but I'm trying to work it out.
 
You’d also be paying for schools, medical etc basically everything costs or you’re expected to pay for rather than taxed.

Kids would gain an international perspective too.

Personally, if we had kids and brexit looking hack now I would have probably hoofed it to the EU possibly swiss board with France.
 
NickK said:
You’d also be paying for schools, medical etc basically everything costs or you’re expected to pay for rather than taxed.

Kids would gain an international perspective too.

Personally, if we had kids and brexit looking hack now I would have probably hoofed it to the EU possibly swiss board with France.
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If a role becomes available back home in France I'd be over in a flash!
 
Looks like I won’t have to wait too long, down to the final two on Thursday. At least I’ll know either way. Last week I looked back at my time in the job, this week I need to sell them the dream going forward. Then what will be will be.
 
Interesting comment from a recruiter today:
We are in the toughest employment market I’ve seen in 22 years, with the longest economic “dip” in recent memory.
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In the same post there's a point about the amount of work recruiters need todo per opportunity has increased exponentially as a result.

I also put my CV through ChatGPT for the first time (semi anon), there's pros and cons:
+ clarity and simplicity
- it misses significant details

However it's a good way to have a "do you really need that" editorial over it. It's not creating new details which is good.
 
I need to be better at taking time off. I'm now at 11 days before the end of the year. In the past when i was contracted to the UK entity i could sell 5 days back and it was always a nice Christmas bonus, however since i've moved to the Spanish entity it seems this is no longer an option and so i'm at the end of the year and unsure how i'm even fitting those days in. We've got an acquisition soon and i've got a massive to do list.

Currently trying to ascertain if it can be an unofficial "bonus" payment and then we just pretend i've taken the days. I'm also being told off because i verbally agreed to stick with UK bank holidays. It's in my interest as aligns with my wife and also means things are actually open whereas on public holidays here everything shuts down. I am however screwing myself as Spain has 14 bank holidays!

I can see their side. Legally i'm not taking the correct leave and so there's nothing stopping me turning around in a few years and complaining about it. However for now it's annoying!
 
I normally divide my holiday time into quarters. Put a week in the first and end quarters, then have a two week mid two quarters with the remaining odd days been kept for those occasions needed.

I did this after doing what you have done. In my first job I had to take December off or loose it.


I heard from a guy from my last company, he'd suffered the same fate as a number of us. 6 months and 464 applications later he has a new job. So that's 4/day.
 
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In a conundrum now. Got 2 job offers one for a small scale up in the EV / fleet management space, has pretty poor Glassdoor reviews but the opportunity for growth and getting stuck in is big. They're looking at being profitable next year and hoping for b corp certification in a couple of years. It's a small business chaotic but dynamic/ exciting with the opportunity to get stuff done potentially or at least have a steer in the company.

The other one is for a mega Telco company and a more junior role on paper, but the benefits are better although salary is about the same. It's clearly more corporate but also more established and has a decent Glassdoor review and potentially better work life balance. It's definitely a bigger step back on paper but I'm not actually that bothered, and this role is more technology oriented the other is more strategic and leadership based.

Having just escaped a public sector small scale business I wonder if I need a big corporate to lose myself into for a bit. That said there's a lot of scope.for progress as it is a global company. The scale up does also have a lot of potential and is in a "hot topic" space and does have big contracts with the likes of Amazon and Tesco etc.... obviously large telco is well established and will always be needed.

The telco is designed "out of the box" hybrid and is less than 1hr commute. The scale up is hybrid but I'd definitely need to be in the office more owing to the day to day activities of the business which is fine and doesn't bother me but that's about 1h20mins. Not a deal breaker compared to my 2.5hr commute currently.

I'm chatting to my wife about it at the moment but wanted to get some impartial questions and discuss potentially here.
 
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