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CaptainRAVE said:
Got the job :D

No negotiation needed, was given everything I wanted and have never received so many compliments!
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Nice! Best of luck!

realistically I’ve been slacking on the applications but the time has gone into learning, I’ll been to be a little more regimented going forward- 7-10 hours will be on the new course and I want to get an application per day then when I feel happier with the course load, I’ll look at increasing that.
 
More than halfway through my notice.. my god it's dragging..

Going down to the new office next month for lunch with the new team and to check out the office, which looks absolutely lush.. As a bonus they also invited me to their Christmas party which is nice, considering I don't start until Jan, and the venue is next level, will be an opportunity to chill and get to know people.
 
Wifey went for a job interview yesterday, CV sift and telephone interview got them down to 3 applicants. She then gets an email that the final stage is an assessment day.

Turns up on the day:

1 of the 3 applicants doesn't turn up. The other applicant was on first name terms with all the interviewing panel, turns out he already works for the company as a regional manager - great :(

Role Play
Presentation - SWOT analysis based on previous required visit to one of the company's stores.
Written exam(!)
Interview.

Pretty full on for a part time roll! The job is looking after a number of their stores and she found out there is a woman in the East Mids who has several stores around her to manage, but also has stores in Scotland she has to visit - that's quite a big area. Wifey's area would also be farther than the job advert originally stated.

She said she did well on the assessment day, but the fact the commute is longer and that an internal regional manager applied - doubtful she'll take the job even if offered.
 
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ivrytwr3 said:
Wifey went for a job interview yesterday, CV sift and telephone interview got them down to 3 applicants. She then gets an email that the final stage is an assessment day.

Turns up on the day:

1 of the 3 applicants doesn't turn up. The other applicant was on first name terms with all the interviewing panel, turns out he already works for the company as a regional manager - great :(

Role Play
Presentation - SWOT analysis based on previous required visit to one of the company's stores.
Written exam(!)
Interview.

Pretty full on for a part time roll! The job is looking after a number of their stores and she found out there is a woman in the East Mids who has several stores around her to manage, but also has stores in Scotland she has to visit - that's quite a big area. Wifey's area would also be farther than the job advert originally stated.

She said she did well on the assessment day, but the fact the commute is longer and that an internal regional manager applied - doubtful she'll take the job even if offered.
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It does sound a little disingenuous from the company - is the pay commensurate with the amount of effort needed? Or is it not really about the money and more about the work/life balance?
 
Had a first stage phone interview this morning. 2 mins in the interviewer tells me the dev role I'm applying for is middleweight rather than senior, so I end it there. The recruiter calls me up mad at me for assuming it was senior, but in what world does a recruiter put a 18 year lead dev in for a middleweight role. Time to have a lunch break and walk off the frustration.
 
throwaway4372 said:
based on your description the big company sounds better in every way
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NickK said:
Agreed, just run with the large company until the public sector seems leas familiar.
There’s still going to be politics etc but worth it.
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I've been talking it through with some friends and old colleagues (and family), I am leaning towards the big telco, seems a little more stable and actually looking at the package and the ease of commute and role itself it's pretty exciting. Telco will always be needed especially with the increase uptake of smart cities, smart mobility, IoT and other elements (like security services etc..) it's quite an exciting arena to play in. Although I am a chartered engineer in the IET space it's been a while since I've been more "tech" oriented, but as I will be more on the innovation/strategy side rather than product development or technical development I'm hoping I can get up to speed enough to become comfortable with the various technologies whilst still bringing my 24-5 years of experience to the table.
 
throwaway4372 said:
Had a first stage phone interview this morning. 2 mins in the interviewer tells me the dev role I'm applying for is middleweight rather than senior, so I end it there. The recruiter calls me up mad at me for assuming it was senior, but in what world does a recruiter put a 18 year lead dev in for a middleweight role. Time to have a lunch break and walk off the frustration.
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I'm so fed up with rec-cons. Presumably the package wasn't enough to make it interesting even for a year or two?
 
Freefaller said:
I'm so fed up with rec-cons. Presumably the package wasn't enough to make it interesting even for a year or two?
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It was an average package for a senior, but there were other issues with the company - meaning there's a fairly high chance the role would only last a year or so, then I'd be back in the market with a middleweight role on my cv.

Edit: that's actually based on the recruiter telling me the package, so it might not even have been true.
 
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Wifey got offered the role!

She's going through a consultation with her current place of work who have offered her a new role, but it is a step back or redundancy.

1. Status: Downgrade in role from xxxxx to xxxxx is not a good use of her skills and experience.
2. Pay issues. Reduced hours and salary.
3. Disruption to family life – carer responsibilities and fixed personal appointment which collides with new work schedule.

Looking at citizen advice websites, it seems she can refuse the new role and take redundancy, not sure how to handle getting redundancy with a new job offer on the table................
 
It shouldn't be a problem. Accept the new role at the new place and accept redundancy in her existing place.

We've just done that where I work 50% of staff! All the good people are taking redundancy and leaving, because they've all found jobs.
 
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ivrytwr3 said:
Wifey got offered the role!

She's going through a consultation with her current place of work who have offered her a new role, but it is a step back or redundancy.

1. Status: Downgrade in role from xxxxx to xxxxx is not a good use of her skills and experience.
2. Pay issues. Reduced hours and salary.
3. Disruption to family life – carer responsibilities and fixed personal appointment which collides with new work schedule.

Looking at citizen advice websites, it seems she can refuse the new role and take redundancy, not sure how to handle getting redundancy with a new job offer on the table................
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Ahh the switcheroonie of "do more as a role for less money"

I would look at moving but given the current state of the job market they know they're in a strong position but ... it also means they're happy to treat people like poop. I'd take the role, but then look immediately for a new role in her own time.
 
NickK said:
Ahh the switcheroonie of "do more as a role for less money"

I would look at moving but given the current state of the job market they know they're in a strong position but ... it also means they're happy to treat people like poop. I'd take the role, but then look immediately for a new role in her own time.
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Its crazy how many companies are exploiting the market, go to remember this when the tables turn again. :D At the end of the day, its nothing personal and it's just business, right?
 
Here's an interesting one.

There's a place that's doing a pipeline job opportunity - essentially there's titles for each role but no job description. The idea is that you apply and they match against their own roles. What is interesting is that this technique then uses the lack of the job description to prevent the tailoring of submitted resumes, reducing the initial noise and then allowing a better spectrum of AI scoring with the risk of loosing initial submissions.

This is basically using privacy cryptography to solve a problem of overloaded numbers of applications that have basically regurgitating the job scripting to get past the ATS scoring system.


Also in other news "Hundreds of managers at HSBC are being asked to reapply and interview for their own position.."

I worked there for a number of years, at that point it had 380,000 employees.. they're happy making 50,000 people redundant in one go.. so this must be the same again.. I suspect this would end up with lots going to APAC following their move in that direction.
 
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Well, bit of a bummer - I was told over a 3 minute video call yesterday that I’m being made redundant.


They announced risk of it back in October, but gave a pretty strong indication I’d be fine.


Furthermore, they have cut the offered redundancy amount to a 1/3 from what they initially offered in October when I first asked what the number would be if I was selected for redundancy.


It was an informal offer given over email, but a real kick in the teeth.


Basically “yeah you’re gonna be made redundant and oh by the way we’re reducing the offer from 6 to 2 months salary eff you”



Moving house on the 6th too :D
 
MrRockliffe said:
Well, bit of a bummer - I was told over a 3 minute video call yesterday that I’m being made redundant.


They announced risk of it back in October, but gave a pretty strong indication I’d be fine.


Furthermore, they have cut the offered redundancy amount to a 1/3 from what they initially offered in October when I first asked what the number would be if I was selected for redundancy.


It was an informal offer given over email, but a real kick in the teeth.


Basically “yeah you’re gonna be made redundant and oh by the way we’re reducing the offer from 6 to 2 months salary eff you”



Moving house on the 6th too :D
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Sorry to hear that. Sounds like you have a plan tho?
 
Anyone on the chase for partner - but queue ahead seems unfathomable - so they offer you more base i.e. more salary without the opportunity to get *actually wealthy* (proper equity/business owner/profit share)? It's a really big turn off - I'm worried I'll get paid enough to be comfortable and the chase will be over. On one hand I should be thankful I'm employed; on the other hand, I'm not particularly motivated if some other partner is going to eat my spoils.
 
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