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Soldato
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The way I see it, we have a couple of issues, first and foremost is the logistics of scale, we have a vast number of people, posting on things in rapid succession, with the most popular threads gaining posts at times that you reply to one post, and in the time that you have taken to write a reply, another half dozen or more have appeared. After all, how many people really were able to keep up properly with Gareth's thread of awesomeness? Not many I am sure. This can lead to a lot of posts being taken out of context.
The second thing, is also related to scale, and that is that with so many members of such a popular forums (Go OCUK!), we attract a much broader slice of humanity, this is something that I've seen a lot of across the entire interwebs over the last 15 years or so, in the early days, we were all geeks, you had to be geek to want to sit at a computer all day, and play 'games', and that resulted in a great sense of community. We had SuperUsers and the such, that policed things, and generally speaking, things were good. Over the years, the advertising came in, then in the early naughties, the vast influxes as "OMG It's T'Internet!" took hold. Soon, everyone and their dog (literally) was using the incredible world that we adopted, and standards slipped, a witty retort was no longer enough to put a malcontent in their place, and the banhammer is needed more and more often. In the early days, you mess up, you get banned, you moved on to the next site/talker/mud/irc server, but these days, the thugish culture that us geeks shied away from in the first place has taken over, and it is very difficult for those of us that remain, to hold back the tide. A person gets themselves banned now, their first thought, is revenge. I swear that deep down, the internet has caused a regression to a pre-Neanderthal state in some people.
With such numbers, it is difficult to keep everybody in line without ruling with an iron fist, OCUK does its best to be a relatively free place to converse and share ideas, unfortunatly there will always be those who chose to abuse that, those people that in the real world, tend to be quite unpopular for their views and lack of ability to engage in rational thought.
As for the other sections of the forum that are slowly dwindling, I think that is partly due to consolidation and changing attitudes, when I first started out on OCUK, performance was king, then gradually it became style, and now I think, it is a combination of stability, style and grace. Perhaps it would make more sense to look into some consolidation of the hardware sections, sure it is good to have an entire section for hard disks, but there's not really that much to talk about.. I dunno, just a thought.
OCUK is a victim of its own success, we are legion for we are many, and it takes a fantastic effort by the mods to keep us in line.
And remember guys, much as they will claim that they are not, the mods are only human, just like the rest of us, well, maybe not Gibbo, he's just WEIRD!
The second thing, is also related to scale, and that is that with so many members of such a popular forums (Go OCUK!), we attract a much broader slice of humanity, this is something that I've seen a lot of across the entire interwebs over the last 15 years or so, in the early days, we were all geeks, you had to be geek to want to sit at a computer all day, and play 'games', and that resulted in a great sense of community. We had SuperUsers and the such, that policed things, and generally speaking, things were good. Over the years, the advertising came in, then in the early naughties, the vast influxes as "OMG It's T'Internet!" took hold. Soon, everyone and their dog (literally) was using the incredible world that we adopted, and standards slipped, a witty retort was no longer enough to put a malcontent in their place, and the banhammer is needed more and more often. In the early days, you mess up, you get banned, you moved on to the next site/talker/mud/irc server, but these days, the thugish culture that us geeks shied away from in the first place has taken over, and it is very difficult for those of us that remain, to hold back the tide. A person gets themselves banned now, their first thought, is revenge. I swear that deep down, the internet has caused a regression to a pre-Neanderthal state in some people.
With such numbers, it is difficult to keep everybody in line without ruling with an iron fist, OCUK does its best to be a relatively free place to converse and share ideas, unfortunatly there will always be those who chose to abuse that, those people that in the real world, tend to be quite unpopular for their views and lack of ability to engage in rational thought.
As for the other sections of the forum that are slowly dwindling, I think that is partly due to consolidation and changing attitudes, when I first started out on OCUK, performance was king, then gradually it became style, and now I think, it is a combination of stability, style and grace. Perhaps it would make more sense to look into some consolidation of the hardware sections, sure it is good to have an entire section for hard disks, but there's not really that much to talk about.. I dunno, just a thought.
OCUK is a victim of its own success, we are legion for we are many, and it takes a fantastic effort by the mods to keep us in line.
And remember guys, much as they will claim that they are not, the mods are only human, just like the rest of us, well, maybe not Gibbo, he's just WEIRD!
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Damn, my spelling fails me again 
Yes Serially
If you post a video containing swearing then expect to take a holiday.
But it doesnt happen anymore, the video just gets removed with yellow text.
Also in another thread where such a video was removed, the video in the OP wasnt and it has the F word in it.
What is the current rule for (completely accidental!) posting of a video that contains a naughty word?
So if you believe racist people are actually medically retarded, then surely by mocking and insulting them, you're actually no better than they are?
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Hasn't it been shown that racism is an innate response, an instinct, that we're only able to overcome due to the same reason why we force ourselves to keep our hand in something hot (for a while), or overcome the urge to rape anything?
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I think the number of retarded 'How do I do...' or 'Is it OK to...' threads have increased. I have no problem with the Daily Mail links. Some GD members really need to develop some common sense though.
Accidentally is no excuse, you should fully watch the video before linking it to the forums.
I would hope that is not the case. Did you RTM the offending post?
The racial imbalance in the prison system would suggest that you are talking rubbish with that statement.
OcUK has been in decline for serious discussion for a long time.
SC now compared to even a few years ago is a shaddow of its former self, but then we lost a lot of our intellectual posters through the last decade so that has had an effect. It feels like swings and roundabouts a lot of the time in GD.
SC now compared to even a few years ago is a shaddow of its former self, but then we lost a lot of our intellectual posters through the last decade so that has had an effect. It feels like swings and roundabouts a lot of the time in GD.
Can words that are considered swearies be added to the swear filter?
It would stave off the problem.
The problem with that is you can create some entirely filthy and inappropriate sentences without needing to swear (as pointed out in an infraction I have).
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There seems to be occasions where people are correcting some folk and dispensing suspensions to others.
If it's a problem that creates this unbalanced approach then simply remove the source, there are plenty of risqué discussions and chat that go on from time to time I'm not sure you'd want to stop it if you could.
The Dons should have a 'broad principles' approach to moderating as opposed to 'strict rules'. Strict rules systems are open to abuse (just like MPs recently had their expenses scandal), but broad principles ones reach into the grey areas and allow discretion.
Punishments are handed out at discretion and are different depending on who the offender is. This is surely right, we have the exact same approach in the court room. For example:
- post something mildly offensive or in breach of the forum rules but do so out of character and the dons can use their discretion to delete the post.
- post something mildly offensive or in breach of the forum rules and do so having posted like a grade A jerk across the forum, and a don is probably going to be less forgiving.
- post a video of someone eating a dead baby and you are probably in for a swift permaban.
You really do reap what you sow on here. I don't think I've ever acted like a douchbag and surprise surprise, zero infractions.
Punishments are handed out at discretion and are different depending on who the offender is. This is surely right, we have the exact same approach in the court room. For example:
- post something mildly offensive or in breach of the forum rules but do so out of character and the dons can use their discretion to delete the post.
- post something mildly offensive or in breach of the forum rules and do so having posted like a grade A jerk across the forum, and a don is probably going to be less forgiving.
- post a video of someone eating a dead baby and you are probably in for a swift permaban.
You really do reap what you sow on here. I don't think I've ever acted like a douchbag and surprise surprise, zero infractions.
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A forum with as big a base as OCUK is bound to coverr just about every topic there is to talk about.....and then some.
Yes, it was worse years ago, but it was also better in some ways.
Years later now that pc's populate even more households you get the younger generations on here talking crap and thinking its cool. Us older folk tend to talk crap cos its our way of moaning at the world, lol.
Still a great forum, but you now a pair of oars to help wade through some of the slurry.
edit: back in the day a lot of the mods were ********, seriously they would let their 'mates' get away with the most ridiculous of rule breaks, yet others not in the clique would be given a holiday for a few days.
Glad that aint the way anymore.
Yes, it was worse years ago, but it was also better in some ways.
Years later now that pc's populate even more households you get the younger generations on here talking crap and thinking its cool. Us older folk tend to talk crap cos its our way of moaning at the world, lol.
Still a great forum, but you now a pair of oars to help wade through some of the slurry.
edit: back in the day a lot of the mods were ********, seriously they would let their 'mates' get away with the most ridiculous of rule breaks, yet others not in the clique would be given a holiday for a few days.
Glad that aint the way anymore.
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It's parity I'm looking. I see what you are saying and agree with the sentiment, but I'll just draw it out.
I was suspended in the last week or so for an unstarred sweary - which is fair enough - and I would add it was not directed anyone it was in a desciption in a discussion.
In fact, it was pretty much the opposite of this word here;
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18347883
Which was quoted by many people the day after who were only warned - and I re-post with trepidation.
I don't want to this to come across as an attack on any single person or their decision - it isn't as I do not know who it was anyway - or the moderation team but it now seems like as good a place as any. It probably was different people, but then if the words that are generally considered to be swearing or offensive were removed you wouldn't get this disparity in response.
If this isn't ok, just delete it.
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What i would like to know is, why is DirtyDog not permabanned.
Countless people have been suspended for small things like accidental swearies, even some in this thread for criticizing the mods.
Yet all DirtyDog does is post obvious racially motivated hate threads. The other day he started a thread where he said something on the line of "paedophile Mohammad", yet all the mods did is question him why he phrased it like that. Then the thread was eventually removed after about 7 pages of hate. This is just a small example of DirtyDog, as many many threads of his have been removed yet he is still free to post?
Not having a go at the mods but would be nice to hear their reasoning in not banning an obvious troll and racist. If his threads are removed so often as they offend shouldn’t the thread starter be punished as well?
Countless people have been suspended for small things like accidental swearies, even some in this thread for criticizing the mods.
Yet all DirtyDog does is post obvious racially motivated hate threads. The other day he started a thread where he said something on the line of "paedophile Mohammad", yet all the mods did is question him why he phrased it like that. Then the thread was eventually removed after about 7 pages of hate. This is just a small example of DirtyDog, as many many threads of his have been removed yet he is still free to post?
Not having a go at the mods but would be nice to hear their reasoning in not banning an obvious troll and racist. If his threads are removed so often as they offend shouldn’t the thread starter be punished as well?