This has freaked me out

My colleague already had an older version of Nitro PDF Pro 7 on her machine but when her PC broke they refused to install it again because it was so old.
Yes I downloaded the trial but our IT have already installed Nitro PDF Pro 14 on quite a few PCs so they already have it and they suggested it to my colleague.
Stop filling blanks in with your own crap :(

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Why the hostility?

I don't have to fill in the gaps, you simply put forward this scenario with software installation that is against all IS practices I've been subjected to for the last 20 years that are getting stricter and stricter and nothing you are angrily replying with is remotely making it any less of a eye brow raising IS policy..

My criticism is of the process you describe, not about whether you can install software yourself. In fact there is no criticism of you at all, I'm pointing this at your IT/IS Team.

I'm only saying your scenario would not be allowed by the draconian IT/IS I have to (and have in previous orgs) endure and they always come back to security as one of the main arguments..

Here's some things about your 'process' we wouldn't be allowed to do and the reason for that is how much we've had to do to maintain our ISO 27001 certification to allow us to sell to many hospitals:
1. We only have one sanctioned 'current' tool for a role, i.e. It would be Nitro PDF OR Adobe Acrobat (pro versions) not both. This is for many reasons, from pricing breaks with volume negotiations, support, compatibility, maintenance as well as security (why have two code bases that can be attacked vs one? although I think there is an argument for diversifying, it's always been overruled by IT/IS).
2. I would get laughed at if I tried to justify it by saying Adobe Acrobat Pro was £499 vs Nitro PDF 14 at £190 - this is one off retail pricing, if IT are charging you that for a massive org like the NHS, someone needs shooting.. There are the 'hidden' cost for support as well not to mention from a security point of view, offering cheap/free tools is definitely one very well known attack vector.
3. Since they do subscription models, we'd have to use those because those get more maintenance and ensure they are always up to date etc.. standalone is often less cost effective overall.. having software that isn't maintained as well or eligible for updates is a security risk.
4. Because we don't work in a bubble, we'd have to submit a scope of test that show some effort has been made to ensure we've exercised enough use cases to show a good degree of compatibility with the other tools out there, this is not so much about security but ensuring we don't run into issues that cost staff/IT issues.
5. IS do their own research on tools, they have a SOUP (Software of unknown provenance) process for tools, it's aimed at many things but security is part of that.. how often they update, what is their patching policy etc..
6. We wouldn't be able to justify reusing old tools 7 iterations out and expect the latest version to be therefore OK, we have to review most tools annually.. Fox-it was one that got dropped off our list and replaced with Adobe Acrobat precisely down to some security risk related issue (Shame, I liked Foxit).

I don't need to know the in's/out's of your specific process as you've furnished me with enough to think this doesn't seem as up to date with current best practices in other orgs.
 
Had an unexplainable one yesterday:
Colleague sent me an image in Teams (web version) of a JSON document saying "I've added these new fields"
I logged in to my works VM, loaded Rider and opened the class file, started typing the new fields in and once I'd typed the first, it suggested the next four for me⁉️

That's actually impressive and useful and I think you've explained it well.. image recognition and use of that cross tools seems about right..

Certainly when emailing lately it will auto suggest based on a very recent teams conversation since the wording is so particular it has to be from that..

I can only recall once I found something pop up that was very specific that I'd only verbally discussed.. this had me checking and amending permissions on the usual social media apps!
 
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I don't have to fill in the gaps, you simply put forward this scenario with software installation that is against all IS practices I've been subjected to for the last 20 years that are getting stricter and stricter and nothing you are angrily replying with is remotely making it any less of a eye brow raising IS policy..

WTF?
Our IT have put this program on many other machines at our Trust and it is the one they suggest, what is wrong that it's going against policies?
My Adobe Professional is from 2008 and the other one is from 2011, with all others now using Nitro since around 2015 (version 7 or thereabouts).
I was the one looking up prices and if we'd asked for Adobe we couldn't have it anyway because they install Nitro.
You really are making stuff up :)
 
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WTF?
Our IT have put this program on many other machines at our Trust and it is the one they suggest, WTF is wrong that it's going against policies?
My Adobe Professional is from 2008 and the other one is from 2011, with all others now using Nitro since around 2015 (version 7 or thereabouts).
You're talking out of your ass.

Who said you violated your own IT policies? I'm saying your IT policies don't align with "best practices" other orgs use.. Simple as..

And also, stop digging a hole, using 16 year old software that is well out of date with many documented CVEs is also questionable.. :D
 
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OK what have they done wrong suggesting Nitro PDF Pro which they now put on all users machines for around 10 years instead of Adobe Professional?

Simple, all covered above:
1. They should have replaced your 2008 adobe acrobat pro a long long time ago..
2. You have insinuated from the pricing you offered that they will buy you a standalone licence for Nitro 14.. this will soon become out of date and evidenced by some of your colleagues still having Nitro 7 until their PC broke... this should be a subscription (Which Nitro offer) to ensure you are kept up to date..

The most virulent attacks are always from older software with zero day exploits.

I'm just saying that in contrast as an ISO27001 certified company that is mandated by the NHS to supply them: (https://8foldgovernance.com/hscn-compliance/#:~:text=What does this mean for,and adherence to best practices.)
What does this mean for health tech suppliers in, or looking to adopt the HSCN?
ISO 27001 provides a framework for establishing, implementing, and maintaining an information security management system, ensuring risk management and adherence to best practices. With cyber-crime on the rise and new threats emerging, ISO 27001 helps organisations become risk-aware, proactively identify vulnerabilities, and foster cyber-resilience. It takes a holistic approach to information security, covering people, policies, and technology, making it a valuable tool for risk management, operational excellence, and cyber protection.

Complying with ISO 27001 will increasingly become more important to ensure the security of the HSCN network, recognising the importance of safeguarding information in the face of ever-evolving cyber threats



We get hammered over this, and it's best practice to not allow software to get out of date:

Keeping devices and software up to date​

Advice on best practices for keeping software on smartphones, tablets, laptops and desktop PCs up to date.
Modern mobile devices run a huge amount of software. This includes operating systems such as Android and iOS and the applications we install to do just about everything, from word processing, to photo retouching and sound recording.
To prevent known vulnerabilities from being exploited, all of this software must be kept up to date
. This means installing patches released by the software developers to close security holes found in their products. Hence the name 'patching'.
This guidance will help you understand the security risks posed by out of date devices, and advise you on how best to secure devices against the latest cyber security threats.

With Adobe's policy on security updates:
Does my app get security updates?
Adobe provides security updates to our current apps only. We recommend you always update to the latest versions of your apps to take advantage of feature, performance, and security enhancements.
 
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Simple, all covered above:
1. They should have replaced your 2008 adobe acrobat pro a long long time ago..
2. You have insinuated from the pricing you offered that they will buy you a standalone licence for Nitro 14.. this will soon become out of date and evidenced by some of your colleagues still having Nitro 7 until their PC broke... this should be a subscription (Which Nitro offer) to ensure you are kept up to date..

The most virulent attacks are always from older software with zero day exploits.

I'm just saying that in contrast as an ISO27001 certified company that is mandated by the NHS to supply them: (https://8foldgovernance.com/hscn-compliance/#:~:text=What does this mean for,and adherence to best practices.)




We get hammered over this, and it's best practice to not allow software to get out of date:


With Adobe's policy on security updates:

Ok, I now get what you're on about.
 
It shouldn't do but for years I've said phones listen to us but perhaps there is another explanation.

Yesterday at work I log onto my NHS PC and I get an email off a colleague to read up on Nitro PDF Pro and whether it is suitable for our department.
Three of us use Adobe Professional but the rest of the team need it and at £499 a license for the standalone it's too expensive.
From my NHS account I go to the Nitro site and sign up with my NHS email to download a trial version.
I spend the day working with it and it does everything we need to do in the department for £190 a license and one free for every 3 we buy.
Over my version of Adobe Professional I've asked if I can also have it.
So to summarise I'm on my NHS PC with all my NHS logins and I have zero access to Facebook.
I even have an NHS Google account.

I get home and the first thing I see on Facebook is a Nitro PDF advert with a buy 3 and get one free advert.
WTF :eek:
I've had 3 so far.

Explain how this has happened other than me talking about it in the office please.

You'd be shocked in how much data is leaked. Even just the TCP/IP connections get tracked, even if the internal data is encrypted.

Logins -> registration -> name -> linkedin/social media use onto a device -> facebook

Also places like MS/Apple etc all take URLs from your browsers as you search, type a URL in or simply select a favourite. Omni-channel tracking has been around for years. It doesn't have to be listening in.. If you simply have a conversation with a phone screen off.. and see how long it takes before you get adverts for it.

A company would be breaking the law (recording without permission) if software or phone was listening in.
 
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Interesting one on this subject - we were having a conversation at work yesterday about old gaming handhelds and people's favourite games on them, etc. and I happened to mention something about how a friend of mine spent hours and hours playing a dolphin game I couldn't remember the name of it, one of my colleagues says "oh probably Ecco the Dolphin". Just loaded up YouTube and one of the first suggestions was "Ecco the Dolphin - The Scariest Game Ever (Retrospective Review)" way way too random to be coincidence. My phone is reasonably locked down but I don't think it was in range to have picked up on the conversation anyhow, my colleagues had their phones in hand.
 
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Explain this, trying to get feckless son to show any interest in anything, the Mrs suggests apprenticeship in thatch roofing, this was in car, all face to face, all three of our phones then had adverts for thatched roofers over the next month.

We don’t have a thatched roof and had never looked up anything about them
 
Witchcraft
you can identify individuals from how they use a mouse
you know some advertising companies already perfected stuff like that

also https://gizmodo.com/power-line-exploit-logs-your-keystrokes-using-outlets-5312995#:~:text=The technique is a form,signals created with each keystroke.


In the power-line exploit, the attacker grabs the keyboard signals that are generated by hitting keys. Because the data wire within the keyboard cable is unshielded, the signals leak into the ground wire in the cable, and from there into the ground wire of the electrical system feeding the computer. Bit streams generated by the keyboards that indicate what keys have been struck create voltage fluctuations in the grounds.
[If the laptop is unplugged], attackers point a cheap laser, slightly better than what is used in laser pointers, at a shiny part of a laptop or even an object on the table with the laptop. A receiver is aligned to capture the reflected light beam and the modulations that are caused by the vibrations resulting from striking the keys.

open a coffeeshop, steal everyones data


makes you wonder what actual governments have came up with to spy on people.
 
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The thing that annoys me with sudden adverts of a recent conversation, is I never get the role play adverts I've searched for:D
 
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Also WhatsApp is not encrypted as they say? Been numerous times something has been mentioned or ive mentioned something in a chat and then a relevant post (not advert) pops up on Facebook

Only common denominator is Meta that owns both
 
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The technique is called "Tempest" and in the GCHQ history book I'm reading, its been known about since WW2 and actively used since at least the late 50's/early 60's as a way for Governments to spy on each other and if there's one thing I've picked out of that book - if they're doing it to each other then they're definitely doing it to their population too.

 
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This morning I went shopping with the wife and she said she had got to pop into Argos to pick something up.
Thirty minutes later I had an email from Argos telling me latest offers.
It could have been a massive coincidence but I've never had them off Argos before.
 
This morning I went shopping with the wife and she said she had got to pop into Argos to pick something up.
Thirty minutes later I had an email from Argos telling me latest offers.
It could have been a massive coincidence but I've never had them off Argos before.
Did you send them your bank deets like a nice compliant pensioner :D
 
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