"This is the Bugatti Veyron of gaming systems"

-Mike- · 28 Apr 2014 at 00:22

Shawy said:
There's not just the build fee included. Yes it does take a while to build, but it take even longer to test everything is 100% stable - if it isn't then parts need to be swapped out and replaced, and the testing has to start all over again. The Infinity systems all come with our highest binned chips (bar the 8pack ones), and sometimes even they can't manage the ridiculous overclocks OcUK offers. I've build systems that have gone through 3-4 processors before passing our rigorous testing - and that takes a lot of time.

So what you're saying here, is that people who buy a 4.4ghz system will have a cpu that cannot possibly go any faster as you've already tried it on other builds?

Not only that but you have a 2 year warranty with email/phone support too. OcUK technicians will try to solve any issues with our systems over the phone to minimise any downtime. If it's the case that a part has become faulty and no longer works - which unfortunately can and does happen - we arrange a collection for the system, fix any issues and replace any faulty parts, as well as ship the system back to the customer, all included in the cost of the system.

I have always built my own systems, and probably always will, but I can definitely see why there's a market for prebuilt systems, and you really do get a lot for your money at OcUK. A lot of people on these forums seem to forget that you aren't the target audience for our prebuilt systems..

As for the 'small' SSD and no optical drive - you can add a few TB of SSD to the system should you wish. You can even add an optical drive if you're still living in the 90s - seriously, they are a dead technology and the less systems that have them, the better.

The SSD is small, its marketed as somewhere for rapid execution of your games and apps. You can't store a lot on 250gb, and give that the cost of a 500gb drive is only around £80 additional....

As for the sound card, if you're using headphones you'd probably be better off with an external DAC, which is why the system doesn't come with a sound card as standard - though again, you can add what ever you like to the build to make it custom tailored to yourself.

Ohlawll · 28 Apr 2014 at 00:31

-Mike- said:
So what you're saying here, is that people who buy a 4.4ghz system will have a cpu that cannot possibly go any faster as you've already tried it on other builds?

The ratio of 4.7Ghz systems sold vs 4.4Ghz systems sold is nowhere near 1:1 so whilst it is possible for this to be the case it is highly unlikely.

MrMarvelous · 28 Apr 2014 at 03:05

Shawy · 28 Apr 2014 at 07:21

Apem said:
So what happens to the chips you reject from testing you selling them on as new unused as surly they would be b grade stock then????????? Just wondered as you said you have used 3-4 processors before you got a pass and if your selling as many systems as you say thats a lot of processors being used and failing your testing.

We have separate chips for builds and bundles - chips that cannot be bought on their own. The OEM chips we sell are completely new and unused and unbinned. If a chip has been binned at 4.5GHz and then failed to clock that high in a particular motherboard, then it is rebinned as a 4.4GHz chip - don't look at it as failing testing, think of it as a second binning process.

Aeleys said:
I don't think optical drives are dead... less used sure but dead that's a bit final

But then again we can't all be rich and have top-end tech,gadgets and cars that make no need for it all...

Still there is always going to be someone with a full wallet that wants things such as this monster rig and will always pay silly prices just to have it, even though no one would ever need such a thing just to play games

Rich top end gadgets such as a USB pen or an AUX cable, both of which cost a couple of £? lol..

No one needs to play games at all, it's a hobby. And people are prepared to pay as much as they can to enjoy that hobby to the max.

Shawy · 28 Apr 2014 at 07:30

-Mike- said:
So what you're saying here, is that people who buy a 4.4ghz system will have a cpu that cannot possibly go any faster as you've already tried it on other builds?

Not always. It depends on the motherboard and the cooling most of the time. Plus we like to keep the voltage relatively low so that there's always headroom on the chip to prolong the life of it and to make sure it can stay stable throughout the warranty period.

Chesney420 · 28 Apr 2014 at 08:56

But can it run Crysis?

Freddie1980 · 28 Apr 2014 at 09:10

If you want an opitcal drive I would buy an external usb drive, I hardly ever use discs anymore. As for athe sound card onboard is fine, as the guy said if you want bigger and better sound get an external dac/amp.

I would agree though 250gb ssd is a to small for a 4k system, although if your smart you would take advantage of Intels rapid response technology and cache the ssd with the hard drive and in day to day activities you wouldn't notice any difference from using a standalone SSD.

-Mike- · 28 Apr 2014 at 10:45

Freddie1980 said:
If you want an opitcal drive I would buy an external usb drive, I hardly ever use discs anymore. As for athe sound card onboard is fine, as the guy said if you want bigger and better sound get an external dac/amp.

I would agree though 250gb ssd is a to small for a 4k system, although if your smart you would take advantage of Intels rapid response technology and cache the ssd with the hard drive and in day to day activities you wouldn't notice any difference from using a standalone SSD.

If you are referring to Intels Rapid Response Technology - you need to read up on it. Given the cache is limited to 64gb you'd be wasting a whole lot of SSD space!

Given this sytem is meant to appeal to people who don't know how to make one, and not aimed at people on the forum, as stated above somewhere....... how do you expect these people to reinstall windows? Do you give them a USB pendrive with it?

Devrij · 28 Apr 2014 at 10:55

If you can drop £4k on a new pc, you are probably too busy doing the whole Wolf of Wall Street thing to bother building it yourself

mmacarthur · 28 Apr 2014 at 11:28

Chesney420 said:
But can it run Crysis?

GET OUT!

abbotsmike · 28 Apr 2014 at 11:32

-Mike- said:
Given this sytem is meant to appeal to people who don't know how to make one, and not aimed at people on the forum, as stated above somewhere....... how do you expect these people to reinstall windows? Do you give them a USB pendrive with it?

Not necessarily don't know how, just don't want to. And outside of this type of forum, most people don't worry about reinstalling their OS. If a PC goes wrong they enlist someone who 'knows about these things'. Just like most people on here don't fix their own cars, but should the manufacturer ship every new car with a full tool kit anyway?

I suspect all the people picking out flaws in these systems are never going to buy them anyway, probably because they/you are not the target market!!

Jay85 · 28 Apr 2014 at 11:42

For 4k I would expect it all to be custom water cooled! Still looks very basic for me.

David Bisset · 28 Apr 2014 at 12:08

Jay85 said:
For 4k I would expect it all to be custom water cooled! Still looks very basic for me.

For £4k you couldn't get the parts for this and the parts for the WC, never mind anything for building costs, testing or warranty.
Water cooling may look shiny but if someone wants a good computer this certainly fits the bill, nothing basic about it!

Edit: Also WC may be a bad idea anyway for someone who is not interested in the inners of a computer.... more maintenance requirements are probably not desirable.

-Mike- · 28 Apr 2014 at 12:22

abbotsmike said:
Not necessarily don't know how, just don't want to. And outside of this type of forum, most people don't worry about reinstalling their OS. If a PC goes wrong they enlist someone who 'knows about these things'. Just like most people on here don't fix their own cars, but should the manufacturer ship every new car with a full tool kit anyway?

I suspect all the people picking out flaws in these systems are never going to buy them anyway, probably because they/you are not the target market!!

People who don't worry about reinstalling windows don't frequent this forum. Those kind of people buy a £699 pc from pc world and wonder why they can't play the game they purchased it to play. I mean... it says Geforce on it.... may be a gf210 but its got the name... right?

David Bisset said:
For £4k you couldn't get the parts for this and the parts for the WC, never mind anything for building costs, testing or warranty.
Water cooling may look shiny but if someone wants a good computer this certainly fits the bill, nothing basic about it!

Edit: Also WC may be a bad idea anyway for someone who is not interested in the inners of a computer.... more maintenance requirements are probably not desirable.

Actually, you could get the parts to watercool it with the £500 change from component cost. I'm not sure about you, but I don't charge myself for building computers so the build cost is irrelevant. And as for warranty, pretty much every component you buy has two or more years warranty anyway so another moot point.

It's a damn good spec for a pre built pc, but I think the lack of a writer drive is poor. Its certainly something that the competition still leave in their pre built specification.

David Bisset · 28 Apr 2014 at 12:42

Overclockers being a business they can't choose to just not pay their staff to build systems I'm afraid Mike! OK, you could scrape together a WC setup for the leftover money but not by a huge margin so still nothing to cover the other costs I mentioned.

Also, these systems are not targeted at forum regulars, the people who buy these may well not worry about reinstalling windows (though, having said that, if you're regularly reinstalling windows it suggests you're doing something wrong.... I've installed windows all of twice on my 5 year old desktop)

Edit: To be fair though, if the customer is only interested in pre-built then looking at retail component prices isn't really appropriate , it's a unit all together and combined it needs to be worth it but that doesn't mean it necessarily has to cost more than the combined components would retail as each of those will be a profitable sale.

Akagi · 28 Apr 2014 at 12:50

Can I have one for free if I promise to fold for team OcUK for at least 16 hours every weekday and at least 24 hours every weekend?

-Mike- · 28 Apr 2014 at 13:16

David Bisset said:
Overclockers being a business they can't choose to just not pay their staff to build systems I'm afraid Mike! OK, you could scrape together a WC setup for the leftover money but not by a huge margin so still nothing to cover the other costs I mentioned.

Funnily enough that's the way the world works, have business pay staff.

Also, these systems are not targeted at forum regulars, the people who buy these may well not worry about reinstalling windows (though, having said that, if you're regularly reinstalling windows it suggests you're doing something wrong.... I've installed windows all of twice on my 5 year old desktop)

You have an easy way of installing windows though, right?

Edit: To be fair though, if the customer is only interested in pre-built then looking at retail component prices isn't really appropriate , it's a unit all together and combined it needs to be worth it but that doesn't mean it necessarily has to cost more than the combined components would retail as each of those will be a profitable sale.

I don't think its a bad system, don't get me wrong, but seen as you mention it - the build fee looks to be more per hour than a main dealer would charge for car repairs.

If I had the money, I'd buy one but I'd be calling and asking them to throw in an optical drive for that, as I find it ridiculous that it doesn't have one at the price it costs. Whats the cost price to ocuk to put a dvdrw in there? £8 maybe? It shouldn't be a chargeable option on a £4k system.

Roady · 28 Apr 2014 at 13:50

-Mike- said:
I don't think its a bad system, don't get me wrong, but seen as you mention it - the build fee looks to be more per hour than a main dealer would charge for car repairs.

If I had the money, I'd buy one but I'd be calling and asking them to throw in an optical drive for that, as I find it ridiculous that it doesn't have one at the price it costs. Whats the cost price to ocuk to put a dvdrw in there? £8 maybe? It shouldn't be a chargeable option on a £4k system.

If you want to use analogies - then maybe you shouldn't be looking at servicing costs for your Ford Ka. This is a performance item - check the servicing costs at your local Ferrari/Bentley dealership. (Or Audi for that matter... *grumble* robbin barstewards)

These systems are almost bespoke, they're certainly built to order, so anyone requiring an additional sound card, DVD Writer, OS Recovery media (and the additional time required to supply and fully test) would expect it to be added to the overall cost.

Let me put it more bluntly... The people buying this system will more than likely have called/visited OCUK directly and requested the specification they think they need/desire. Or they have a friend getting them a 'monster pc' with a huge budget!

Aeleys · 28 Apr 2014 at 13:58

Shawy said:
Rich top end gadgets such as a USB pen or an AUX cable, both of which cost a couple of £? lol..

No one needs to play games at all, it's a hobby. And people are prepared to pay as much as they can to enjoy that hobby to the max.

Eeek why so defensive?

Those few things are a couple of quid, but what about the other gear required to be totally disc-less it all adds up hence why I said "rich"

Games are hobbies but flashing cash isn't, I was just saying there is no need for all that gear but people will buy it, everyone here would have it if money was not an issue I know I would

-Mike- · 28 Apr 2014 at 15:20

Roady said:
If you want to use analogies - then maybe you shouldn't be looking at servicing costs for your Ford Ka. This is a performance item - check the servicing costs at your local Ferrari/Bentley dealership. (Or Audi for that matter... *grumble* robbin barstewards)

These systems are almost bespoke, they're certainly built to order, so anyone requiring an additional sound card, DVD Writer, OS Recovery media (and the additional time required to supply and fully test) would expect it to be added to the overall cost.

Let me put it more bluntly... The people buying this system will more than likely have called/visited OCUK directly and requested the specification they think they need/desire. Or they have a friend getting them a 'monster pc' with a huge budget!

Actually, I was going on Honda's pricing down here of £90 an hour. Audi aren't that much more expensive either

As for the time to install a dvdrw drive - You're having a laugh right? Two minutes or less and its done. They hardly need testing either.

There is no additional time required to supply recovery media either.