Poll: Thoughts on internet piracy?

Internet piracy is okay?

  • Yes.

    Votes: 177 35.3%
  • No.

    Votes: 83 16.6%
  • It depends.

    Votes: 241 48.1%

  • Total voters
    501
Sort of like the way steam works but for films, TV series and music?

That would be nice. Perhaps it could work in unison with the way netflix currently is, with an option to pay monthly for a certain band of content as opposed to buying individually, if the user wanted.

I just had a new business idea for steam. I'll call it Steam Entertainment.

Just FYI, you don't own your steam games, you rent them. If valve were to shut up shop tomorrow, you'd have zero recourse to getting those games.

And of course piracy is not ok. Hollywood (for talking about films or TV, i don't pirate games or music so cannot comment) need's better legal ways to access newer content, but that's not an excuse. In general i pirated a lot more years back, but these days i have amazon instant video and netflix, and i more often than not will watch something on there than pirate a film. More legal services are what i'd like, i'm happy to pay for day 1 viewing a film at home, but can't stand going to the cinema unless it's something i'm really really excited for (and even then, i wasn't able to go for the hobbit part 3).
 
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I always find these threads funny because those that pirate do so for no other reason than they can, and they can get away with it. When you see threads online of people having keys revoked or games being utter drivel and not worth the £40 they paid the pirates are laughing. They also don't care what anyone thinks or says about them.

Those that don't pirate usually like to make pirates out to be these cheap thieves (lets not go into the "is piracy theft" argument) who are breaking the law and are scum for doing it yet. I always wonder how many of these people have a little drink then drive, speed, use their phone while driving or break any numerous other laws. I bet there's not many. :)
 
I'll watch bits of a film on Youtube, and if I like what I'm seeing, I'll buy the blu-ray. Same with using the illegal version of Napster back in 99/00. Download 3 random tracks from an album, and if I like the sound of it, I buy the CD. I used to do it with games as well e.g. get Age of Empires II on pirate, then ended up buying it. It's easier nowadays for games though cos you can look up clips on Youtube then buy it if you like the look of it, same as films.
 
It's odd. I don't pirate games because I want to support good game studios/publishers (and sometimes even terrible ones... EA). I would, however, pirate a movie without hesitation. I use spotify so I don't pirate music anymore. Spotify is actually easier than pirating a bunch of albums or songs album, putting the files on a device and playing it. I just play it on the device right then and there.

To answer the question, piracy is not "okay" and I actually dislike it when people pirate good games from small studios because I feel they are hurting the gaming community in the long run by punishing creative studios that add to gaming quality. But in some situations it's understandable to pirate things like movies when you can't get it any other way in your own home and don't want to pay £15 to drive somewhere and sit in an old cinema. Maybe that's an "it depends"

Interesting that other people seem to pirate movies more than games and music. Has digital distribution started to to make a dent in those areas, whereas movies are still trying to support the cinema industry?
 
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Well, of course it's not okay, but watch as the excuses roll in as people justify their actions and claim it's not stealing.

No excuses. It's just so widespread that a lot of people see it as a non issue. What I don't understand is people who have trouble with others that do it. Its like, who gives a crap about what relative strangers are doing?
 
It's odd. I don't pirate games because I want to support good game studios/publishers (and sometimes even terrible ones... EA). I would, however, pirate a movie without hesitation. I use spotify so I don't pirate music anymore. Spotify is actually easier than pirating a bunch of albums or songs album, putting the files on a device and playing it. I just play it on the device right then and there.

To answer the question, piracy is not "okay" and I actually dislike it when people pirate good games from small studios because I feel they are hurting the gaming community in the long run by punishing creative studios that add to gaming quality. But in some situations it's understandable to pirate things like movies when you can't get it any other way in your own home and don't want to pay £15 to drive somewhere and sit in an old cinema. Maybe that's an "it depends"

Interesting that other people seem to pirate movies more than games and music. Has digital distribution started to to make a dent in those areas, whereas movies are still trying to support the cinema industry?

Most people have a standard desktop that's simply not capable playing most of today's games. Plus downloading games is a little more complex and time consuming if you were to compare it to downloading a movie (need to mount and crack, and you'd need a lot more space.)

Pretty sure movies and music are on par at least.
 
I made a torrent with my book. I might have pirated the odd thing in the past, I felt it was only fair I gave my created, copyrighted media in the same method.




No one downloaded it. Ever. :(
 
It's odd. I don't pirate games because I want to support good game studios/publishers (and sometimes even terrible ones... EA). I would, however, pirate a movie without hesitation. I use spotify so I don't pirate music anymore. Spotify is actually easier than pirating a bunch of albums or songs album, putting the files on a device and playing it. I just play it on the device right then and there.

To answer the question, piracy is not "okay" and I actually dislike it when people pirate good games from small studios because I feel they are hurting the gaming community in the long run by punishing creative studios that add to gaming quality. But in some situations it's understandable to pirate things like movies when you can't get it any other way in your own home and don't want to pay £15 to drive somewhere and sit in an old cinema. Maybe that's an "it depends"

Interesting that other people seem to pirate movies more than games and music. Has digital distribution started to to make a dent in those areas, whereas movies are still trying to support the cinema industry?

Not so sure about people not pirating music so much anymore. At University so many people used those Youtube to MP3 things. We got half price spotify premium, which IMO is vastly superior, as a student and people still wouldn't pay. Shocking really, £5 a month, half the price of an album for unlimited music and offline play but that's £5 too much for some.

As for movies, Blu Ray is a pain in the arse, especially on PC. Playing it on standalone blu ray players I believe is a lot less painful.
 
I made a torrent with my book. I might have pirated the odd thing in the past, I felt it was only fair I gave my created, copyrighted media in the same method.




No one downloaded it. Ever. :(

*Bro-hug with several sympathetic back-pats*
 
I pay for what I want, I'll happily download guff from developers who've scorned me in the past or have horrid sales techniques. I've saved hundreds if not thousands on games I've found really, really bad without a chance to try it first. Game's I'd have binned after a day and regret spending it on.

But it depends in other instances, I'll download Top Gear to watch instead of watching it live on a paid tv(as in we pay for one still) license and/or on iplayer because I want to be able to watch it when I want, not live and not when iplayer decides to be able to stream high-res on a perfectly capable connection. I don't have to use their crappy player, I can stop when I want, skip/reverse instantly and easily without some arbitrary location on the iplayer tracker.

Same for music, if you're going to let me listen to it infinitely on official youtube sites/spotify etc then why the hell am I going to pay for it?

Ultimately what it comes down to is, if it's good and I really want it I'm going to pay for it, if I don't think I'm getting something good and you don't offer the chance at trying then I'm going to try it that way.
Also, if I'm already paying for it, or already own it if there are circumstances where I need it again or in another fashion I'm going to do it.
 
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most of my piracy is just having tv streaming while im doing toher stuff net flix is good but to get it al lelgaly would need about 13 subscriptions it sees.
 
i feel it is wrong but do i lose sleep over it no
if i buy a bluray movie and go to watch it find that they have decided to lock the disk
and force me to view the poxy adverts will i buy another movie from them or grab it from other means so i can just watch it without this crap then yes

personally i think the person that thought it was a good idea to lock the content so ppl
couldn't skip the crap they add needs shot or region code so they coyuld charge different pirces is dishonest
i also belive that digital content that is also sold in this way is wrong same with online retailers (amazon) where i can get the product cheaper in another country but i'm forced to pay higher because i have to purchase from the digital uk store

like others have mentioned music is easy to get legit and games
will i spend £40 on a new game without trying it NO been burnt to many times with crap badly coded games or purchase on preorder only to find that it's unplayable and by the time it's sorted ive lost interest

personaly i prefer the free to play micro transaction model i play wot and have spent a few hundered quid on this game because i like the game unfortunatly the temptation for most free to play micro trans developers is that they tend to be pay to win games developers to greedy for there own good and end up with a broken product
 
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I don't pirate music - I've previewed music to see if I liked it, but I've always gone out and paid for the CD. Physical media is better than an mp3 as far as I'm concerned.

I don't pirate games, but I've been burned more than once with paying for new releases - either the game was falsely advertised and key features were hopelessly broken on release, or the drm on the legit game prevented me from playing it. Every oldschool medal of honor game I had to noCD crack because the Warchest Bundle I paid for, in a highstreet shop, would not run; insert disk - no disk recognised blah blah blah. Same with COD2 on my current machine - multiplayer works fine, but the single player campaign asks for the disk and when I insert the disk, the game asks for the disk/disk not found etc etc.
Silent Hunter 3 broke my CDR drive with its rootkit Starforce DRM that caused the drive to constantly spin up and down and up and down. I paid for the game, then had to pay for a new cd drive, so I had to run it with a nocd patch.

All the games I've played through Steam seem not to have any of these problems, though I'm not especially thrilled at paying retail prices for a game that I'm effectively only paying for a 'subscription' via Steam - that's what the t&c stated anyway. Also, I don't get to have a retail boxed disk, and it relies on having a decent internet connection to play anything (yes yes offline mode in steam.... but you still have to be able to get online to set offline mode. Last time my broadband connection failed I couldn't play any of my steam games for that reason).
Steam - it's convenient, but takes away some of your ownership of the content in the ways I've outlines above. So, swings and roundabouts for me.

I suppose one of the main advantages with games (or software and music or anything else you can buy for that matter) these days is the ability to see gameplay and in-depth reviews on youtube etc, where you get a gamer perspective of the product instead of an industry pr advertising campaign saying how great their game is and having to take them at their word. Past experience has taught me that their word is at best unreliable, and at worst outright lies - I'm looking at you, medal of honor airborne. Damn you EA and your lies; that was the last game I pre-ordered (based on my loyalty to a franchise as a long-time moh spearhead gamer).
Being able to see an honest review on youtube from various channels has meant I've not spent money on a game that's not worth it and it hasn't cost me a penny to find that out. So in many ways, youtube has removed the need to preview a game to see if it's any good or not before you spend your money, and seeing as most developers don't release demos anymore (never mind 'early access') ...with youtube the need to 'pirate before you buy' is largely irrelevant now.



Software I pay for. Unless the cost is prohibitive. Ie Autocad or Revit - If I had 5k to shell out on those I probably would, but I don't... I use paid versions of these every day at work. But I cannot afford the cost of Revit at home in order to teach myself how to use the software - I can't be arsed with faffing about with the trial versions or the student versions of these either as I'm learning something new over several months, not just previewing this years latest features for 30 days on software I'm already very experienced with. The caveat with this is I am not using the software at home to earn a living (ie. producing working drawings for a client and billing them for my time), were I doing so, I'd certainly pay for it - and learning to use the software at home translates into a shiny new license seat paid for at work. So Autodesk gets their money one way or another.
 
I don't know about 'less defendable' but the fact media is much easier to legitimately access online than it used to be does make piracy less appealing.

10+ years ago there was:
-No Netflix/Lovefilm instant etc
-Sky boxes not connected to on demand services
-Consoles not connected to on demand services
-No smart TVs
-No Sky Go / iPlayer etc
-No mainstream video streaming devices
-Very limited digital download services for games
-Not much in the way of free streaming of adult entertainment (as far as I know)
-No Youtube
-No Spotify / Deezer etc
-No tablets/smartphones so vast majority of media was consumed via a PC which was the optimal platform for piracy (in other words nowadays people access the internet much more on a tablet/phone where piracy is a bit more difficult)
-Game DRM typically requiring physical media in the drive etc.

In simple terms basically we've moved from a model dominated by physical media to a time when a log of media can be consumed digitally without even needing to leave the house (one of the traditional virtues of piracy).

I am not part of the scene so cannot comment with authority on what piracy is like these days but as far as I know it hasn't massively progressed from 10 years ago i.e. sftp, nntp, xdcc, torrent etc are all very old protocols. The only thing I suppose is faster internet connections (which benefits legitimate services too) and possibly the rise of these high capacity http storage portals (megaupload etc).

edit: Forgot to say, another signficant change on the gaming side is the way updates tend to happen. Games tend to auto-update via Steam etc which is fairly hassle free compared to needing to track down updates for pirated versions. Whereas again 10 years ago you would manually patch games so no real benefit from a legitimate copy.
 
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